Some big folks really desperate to sell their coins at whatever price!
In what way is selling at the top of a 15% increase in less than a day "desperate" and "at whatever price"?
Seems like straight up profit taking to me.
Could even be the same people that started the rally. lol.
What is your point? To any reasonable person, this was all speculative tin-foil hat stuff until Snowden.
You have a fetish for polluting my posts.
my posts too. Seems being an oracle gives the ability to discern between the thousand of "rat in coke can" schemes around the world and "knowing" like your own hand what is really happening/true/fact and what are just rumours/whispers.
What can I say?
I am a centre of pestilence.
Not true, you have absolutely useful opinions and threads that simply one need to read. Just a lower a bit the "I knew it" button when the others also talk and you will be become the greatest oracle ;-)
Cheers,
Well then, If I may knock myself down from the pinnacle of oricality, I'll keep my tinfoil hat on a bit longer...
Snowden is a tool. In my considered opinion the Snowden revelations are part of an operation to bludgeon the corporate world, along with the general public into investing resources into actual, effective IT security. The NSA has a stake in protecting their charge against rival gangs. And, although I think it is a mistake to equivocate on security to this end they are attempting to calibrate their advantage.
It might very well be the truth. Just some Sun Tzu "confuse your enemy" thinking. It would give everybody the idea that they need to increase their defenses. But thinking on the possibility that what they know it is not true and its just a bluff maybe they want to do the opposite, that is discourage everyone from even trying to avoid NSA, and stop being diligent on your own security. Most people don't know too much about computer security and even if they do, the revelations show a huge enemy to beat, so they will just surrender and say, "be it", if you use computers, then there is no privacy why i am going to follow those huge security procedures if they are already in, by hardware, at network level (IP v6), by OS, by force, by keylogger, by the very own software you use. Why lose so much time? Many people will think that and abandon themselves to the "maybe truth" that they have just won.
Also there seems to exist indeed an interest in the USA agencies to reduce the people privacy and that is one of the reasons why CIA investing companies invested in google and in facebooks (the second being a declared paradigm of antiprivacy). What was their reaction to Zimmerman PGP, their export limitations for encryption over 128 bits and many more?. They indeed want to know everything like the "Awareness" agency name suggests.
One thing is true, and this is that the computer and internet industry has received a huge kick in their balls. American companies relying on "the cloud" aswell as those relying on "security" (and probably technology manufacturers whose products won't be seen as innocent as have been seen up to now) are being seen now like pure fraud all over the world and they are loosing billions and billions on contracts. Again, some might say "I alrady knew it". I would say, you "suspected something" in the lines of the thousand of rumours around the world everywhere. But with this revelations (if true) show that they are indeed doing it.
So, did they encourage Snowden to go into the air with those documents, hurting hugely their own computer/internet industry trying to follow the path to get everybody into a higher security? Could be.
Maybe, knowing that they already controlled those companies they could have just issued some laws to encourage much more secure policies in facebook, google, etc and those would have been just followed by the users all over the world (like when lately most companies have started relying in 2-step authentication) without destroying or putting in severe risk their whole own IT industry. I think Google, Apple, Yahoo, etc are indeed not happy. They have moved from the colourful letter kindergarten logo (google) to a Stasi machine. Many have abandoned those companies for good.
I think what German officers are trying to do regarding IT security after snowden revelations, might be a good step to follow. Encourage everyone using policies all over the European Union at least not only to increase their software/internet security but do it from the very scratch, designing everything with the highest privacy levels in mind (e.g client based encryption). India is moving apart from US technology, not only they requested to have their own google servers located in their own soil so US law does not apply. They are also asking people to stop using gmail for state storage (Google Apps won't like that). New Zealand and Germany have stopped following software patents aswell (that will help).
So maybe they have managed to get higher security levels but not only in the western world, but all over the world (even China/Russia etc) and also really hitting hard their own IT industry.
I think it would be a mistake to presume that U.S. interests are so well defined by national boundaries. The business interests of U.S. chartered entities are all very well intertwined with those of other players. I would liken these kinds of operations to the 'direct action' of anti-establishment protesters. To force a dialectic outside the usual bounds of explicit process. These technocrats have a vision for what security should look like, and will steer their considerable resources to that end. You know—breaking eggs and all that.
Ok, a bit OT now, but hold on a sec...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you arguing that, basically, NSA set up the whole Snowden thing so that corporates would freak out and tighten their security. Because NSA protects the interests of corporates?
I'm sorry, this seems a little bit tinfoilish to me.
If that was the agenda, would it not be easier to just set up some fake attacks? Let some of their smart kids loose to unleash hell on a few selected targets. Everyone would love it. There'd be joy and hilarity at NSA! And it's cheaper and less damaging to their own interests. Attacks with malicious intent are what corporates are scared of. Not the NSA. As you argue yourself, the NSA is on their side, basically. And as a lot of people have said there's that dynamic of, ok so now we know they have just about universal reach, so why do anything?
Fuck, or even just break in, and tell people, hey we broke in. This is how we did it. This is what you need to do. Set up some sort of advisory service that works with people to tighten their shit up. Whatever. Doesn't seem hard to do.
There is no way they wanted people to know about prism etc. No way. They're spooks. Spooks keep shit secret. That's an important thing. Why would they let the cat out of the bag for a such a spurious project? Even if they do have bigger stuff that we don't know anything about, which they most likely do, it's still a chump move to let everyone know about stuff as big as this. Once everyone starts tightening their shit up, it hurts their ability to do what they like doing and is their number one reason to exist, which is spying on people. The loss is bigger than the gain.
Sorry, I just don't buy it. Trying to find a shitty conspiracy behind an actual major shit's going down sort of conspiracy just seems a touch excessive.
There is no way they wanted people to know about prism etc. No way. They're spooks. Spooks keep shit secret. That's an important thing. Why would they let the cat out of the bag for a such a spurious project? Even if they do have bigger stuff that we don't know anything about, which they most likely do, it's still a chump move to let everyone know about stuff as big as this. Once everyone starts tightening their shit up, it hurts their ability to do what they like doing and is their number one reason to exist, which is spying on people. The loss is bigger than the gain.
Sorry, I just don't buy it. Trying to find a shitty conspiracy behind an actual major shit's going down sort of conspiracy just seems a touch excessive.
It is actually not the purview of the NSA to do PSYOPs like this—but it is the purview of the CIA, and Snowden has CIA connections. And it is not always as clear cut as taking actions which clearly serve a clear agenda. Quite the contrary. Black ops usually have the appearance of originating from a hostile actor.
Revolutionaries are not the only ones who have studied Hegel.
Ok, I'll bite.
So.. let's play this out. Snowden was leaking about NSA on behalf of the CIA. CIA want to achieve some sort of real effect in the world via this, through setting up a dialectical response from the world at large.
I'm trying to follow this through, but you might need to hold my hand through it. What is this effect and why do the CIA want it? People tighten up their security? Which people? Corporates? Why does the CIA care?
Create a feeling of paranoia and insecurity? Which dialectically does what? One would think it would make people more, rather than less, likely to resist? Aaaaaand...... that's what they want? So they get more powers?
It's a bold argument. I like it. Still not sure I agree though.
Also, probably worth saying, not sure if any revolutionaries are still into Hegel. (Zizek doesn't count). I thought it was more about Deleuze these days. You could be right though, what with the state = manifestation of universal spirit thing, CIA dudes with the time for reading philosophy probably would get a hard on for him. It's a funny thing to contemplate.
ummm, the same thing is going on at bitstamp. slow and steady stream of 1 btc sells.
This is a steady stream of
buys. These trades aren't originated by sellers because the seller's orders are being hit all the time. Someone is accumulating a large holding and does not want to do the usual whale splash of ripping up the ask wall.
Those were buys on stamp, and sells on gox.
You can't see it now though as it seems to have stopped.
I wonder if someone is succesfully getting USD out of gox and is trying to arbitrage while minimising slippage. Or gox themselves are.
We'll see if it starts again.
He says buy orders are working fine but sells are not.
lol
what i really don't get is the difference to situation during april.
gox has constantly lost volume since then and yet they still struggle to keep their shit running.
no other exchange had problems in goxlike dimensions. (i saw some lag on stamp, but not that bad)
The good folks at Gox are pioneers in the field of incompetency.
It actually astonishes me that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_running doesn't get talked about more.
Fuck those guys.