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1. Post 10036592 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: Eddie Brock on January 04, 2015, 05:22:05 PM
Serious question:

What's the "fair price" of one bitcoin? and how do you arrive to that conclusion?

I'll give you my newbie thought: it roughly depends on how much fiat has been pumped in. 0 fiat, 0 value.



2. Post 10036792 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on January 04, 2015, 05:40:52 PM
Short interest a hair away from 20,000 contracts on bfxdata. Over 3000 new shorts today. Retest 300 soon.
Still 1/4 of the USD worth of longs...

Is it not worrying to you that one of the reasons we should pump is just a temporary short squeeze (that might not even happen at all)?
Is that the reason people should buy bitcoin at this price after having seen this crash? Because of a short squeeze?


I'd be happily using bitcoin as a medium of exchange but it's losing value so quick that, unless transactions happen in the order of minutes at most, it dissipates any possible benefit or usefulness even for that.



3. Post 11633775 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):



Thank Greece, guys.



4. Post 11738772 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

I'm going to sleep. What do you recommend: to buy or not and why?
Thanks.



5. Post 12359651 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

What's driving this rally?



6. Post 12359809 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Is there a thread which follows the price movement attended by less cognitively-impaired people?



7. Post 12412367 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 13, 2015, 09:51:04 PM
So how do you rationalize advocating the concept if you won't support it with your own money?

You still don't get it?  The purpose of a currency is not to be an investment. 

If someone has to make some payment for which XCoin would be the best choice, he should buy as much XCoin as he needs and spend it.  If some merchant thinks that accepting XCoin would give him 1% more profit, he can accumulate the XCoins that he gets for a couple of weeks (a 2% per year loss will not be significant) and then either sell them, or use them to pay other XCoin-accepting entities.  If someone earns a substantial amount of XCoin that he does not intend to spend in a couple of months, he should use it to buy some more profitable investment.  That is how a currency is supposed to be used.

Margaritas ante porcos.



8. Post 12412660 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 11:14:07 PM
So how do you rationalize advocating the concept if you won't support it with your own money?

You still don't get it?  The purpose of a currency is not to be an investment. 

If someone has to make some payment for which XCoin would be the best choice, he should buy as much XCoin as he needs and spend it.  If some merchant thinks that accepting XCoin would give him 1% more profit, he can accumulate the XCoins that he gets for a couple of weeks (a 2% per year loss will not be significant) and then either sell them, or use them to pay other XCoin-accepting entities.  If someone earns a substantial amount of XCoin that he does not intend to spend in a couple of months, he should use it to buy some more profitable investment.  That is how a currency is supposed to be used.
Answer the question.

Stolfi has his own agenda... he is NOT going to answer any of your questions, unless he can put a proper spin on the topic and to adequately deflect.  To the extent that there are material undermining of his position, he frequently ignores responding to the substance of those kinds of posts.

The issue is that you don't understand what a currency is or ought to be. You guys are all deluded.



9. Post 12414596 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: danielW on September 14, 2015, 05:18:07 AM
As much as I hate to agree with the professor... but Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_economic_thought) says that the history of economic sciences stretches back to 500 BC. So at least there were at least proto-economists as far back as before the time of Jebus.

It's a little bit like calling Alchemists scientists. In any case, I would like to hear which 16th century mind argued for inflation, especially as currency was specie.

Economists now are still in the Alchemist stage. Its mostly just pseudo-science.
I can't agree more. It's still the best branch of knowledge we have about the subject.
People here fail to realise that all the economic considerations of Stolfi are strictly mainstream and found in any textbook.



10. Post 12415660 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Norway on September 14, 2015, 08:02:19 AM
Economists have know for 500 years that a currency must have some inflation, otherwise people will hoard it and it will not be available for use as a currency.  

During the past 500 years, there were long periods of effectively zero inflation where economies boomed. In the industrial revolution in Britain, for example.

Also, I don't think there was such a thing as an economist 500 years ago.

Gold and silver coins kept the price for a pint steady as a rock for hundreds of years.

So steady
Until 1900: gold/silver standard. 1900-1933: gold standard.



11. Post 12415723 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

This other chart highlights the US economy recessions along with the stock index:




12. Post 12428339 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Elwar on September 15, 2015, 11:54:27 AM
"Bitcoins, like other commodities, have an intrinsic value, which is not arbitrary, but is dependent on their scarcity, the quantity of labour bestowed in procuring them, and the value of the capital employed in the miners which produce them." -David Bitcardo

I wonder when economics finally slams into this pile of nonsense. Most likely within a couple of years, perhaps less.



13. Post 12440552 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: RenegadeMan on September 16, 2015, 05:36:06 PM

we all need a holiday from time to time! a nice beach with crystal clear waters or a lake in the mountains...

speaking of which, took my dad & daughter to the beach for a bit of a paddle, ended up surrounded by 'lots' of different fish(es) we all giggled like it was magic - it kinda was.

bought 12 more coins when we got home, and ate calimari.

Nice to see someone expressing their common humanity and decency. Little moments with dear loved ones like you just described are all important for remembering the really important things in life. Thanks for sharing.

Not as nice as seeing someone who's steadily buying his way into poverty (and his beloveds').



14. Post 12829540 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on October 30, 2015, 08:45:01 AM
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In this case C is about $220, so the log-scale plot may straighten out only if and when the price hits $500 or so.

Time to buy?



15. Post 12843454 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

What's happening to Kraken?



16. Post 12843567 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Rip Kraken



17. Post 12939242 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Do you think there's an imminent dump also considering the auctioned coins?



18. Post 12968239 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Massive dump on Monday or early next week following the auctioned coins transfer?



19. Post 12975863 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Private property goes pari passu with the state, more specifically with its laws. No state, no private property, because in the wild might is right: if someone stronger than you points at your property and says "that is mine" you can do nothing but obey or be deprived coercively.



20. Post 12975915 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Then you would be ruled by gangs or clans.



21. Post 12975997 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Bull trap or proper lift-off?



22. Post 12983283 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

We need a cetologist.



23. Post 12991039 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Dump coming dump coming dump coming...



24. Post 12991539 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

24y*



25. Post 13000720 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on November 17, 2015, 11:15:04 PM
moving up, ready to resume bull run after first wave breakout consolidation?

Feels like something big is coming soon, and down doesn't seem likely  Cool

Steady China goes.



26. Post 13000870 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on November 18, 2015, 12:18:40 AM
What is considered off-topic in this squalid thread?

bitcoin bear-trolling ... go away already.

You probably meant to interact in the The Everything Bullish Thread.



27. Post 13003319 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

"Race" comprehends three concepts: bio-genomic clusters commonality, biological race and social race.

The analysis of bio-genomic clusters has a very narrow scope and lets us infer, for instance, that a group of humans might be Ashkenazi Jews for having certain genetic conditions that predispose them to the Tay-Sachs disease. Of course, members of other groups could have the same or similar genetic condition and, actually, there are far more differences within populations than there are between them.

Race in biology means a group within a species so different from the rest that it's on a definite path towards the constitution of a new species. In this sense there are no subspecies races among humans.

Lastly, social habits and norms clearly make remarkable distinctions between ethnic groups, and this has social and economic effects.

More here: http://www.philosophersmag.com/index.php/footnotes-to-plato/87-are-races-real



28. Post 13005673 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on November 18, 2015, 03:06:37 PM
Real biologists do not use the term "race" because the concept is bullshit.

Indeed, in fact I was considering the main possible concepts covered by the term when it is used by common people - in the end language is just a convention reinforced by usage.
Like it or not "race" will continue to be used so we'd better make distinctions according to the empirical evidence.



29. Post 13005721 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Furthermore, as I said, the concept of human races doesn't hold in biology, but it very much holds in the socio-economic realm.



30. Post 13005863 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

r0ach, It would be beneficial to flick through primary school science books from time to time.
What you're describing are ethnic groups, not races. For the umpteenth time, there are no human groups different enough to be labelled as race.



31. Post 13005949 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 18, 2015, 04:08:16 PM
I used the word "race" because that is what's known to describe this concept in colloquial speech.

That's exactly the point. If you wish to make biological arguments you must use biological terms.



32. Post 13007691 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Ibian on November 18, 2015, 07:49:16 PM
And this? https://i.imgur.com/CWQkRzh.jpg

Do you think the West doesn't carry out atrocities on innocent civilians? What happened in Paris might be a reaction of all the mess in the Middle East initiated by the US-led coalition.
Also, multiply by ten the latest terrorist attack and replicate it each day and you may get an idea of how Middle-Easterners live below ISIS, a Frankenstein whose father is the "civilised" West.



33. Post 13007733 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Ibian on November 18, 2015, 08:01:34 PM

Do you think the West doesn't carry out atrocities on innocent civilians? What happened in Paris might be a reaction of all the mess in the Middle East initiated by the US-led coalition.
Also, multiply by ten the latest terrorist attack and replicate it each day and you may get an idea of how Middle-Easterners live below ISIS, a Frankenstein whose father is the "civilised" West.
So what are you suggesting? You don't want to prevent future events like that?

How about not assaulting and invading other countries and funding "rebels" to topple the local not-very-West-friendly governments?



34. Post 13007811 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Ibian on November 18, 2015, 08:06:58 PM

Do you think the West doesn't carry out atrocities on innocent civilians? What happened in Paris might be a reaction of all the mess in the Middle East initiated by the US-led coalition.
Also, multiply by ten the latest terrorist attack and replicate it each day and you may get an idea of how Middle-Easterners live below ISIS, a Frankenstein whose father is the "civilised" West.
So what are you suggesting? You don't want to prevent future events like that?

How about not assaulting and invading other countries and funding "rebels" to topple the local not-very-West-friendly governments?
You don't care at all that we are inviting in people who want to kill us, and actually do it, do you?
What I said would surely help. If I remember correctly 8% of France population is Muslim and the attack was orchestrated and carried out by a handful of people who were raised in France. Who is at fault here is the French intelligence.



35. Post 13007885 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Ibian on November 18, 2015, 08:17:34 PM
So again, what are you suggesting? What should be done? Something practical this time, if you please.

Switch the military tactic from offence to mostly defence; more competent intelligence; more stringent checks at the border to reject suspects.



36. Post 13007914 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Richy_T on November 18, 2015, 08:18:49 PM
Nope. Who is at fault are those who decided to pick up weapons and strap on suicide vests. The question is how to best mitigate those. I don't really see that "race" factors into it though.

It'd be nice, but a world free of terrorism is unlikely. If the relevant state vigilance is weak results of this kind are inevitable.



37. Post 13007962 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 18, 2015, 08:31:57 PM

What the fuck are 'supermodel genes'?  So you think the white kid is pretty and the other isn't.  That is totally subjective.

Contrary to what fat pride and other whacko groups try to claim, "beauty" is not even close to entirely subjective.  Symmetry and attributes that define health are obvious objective standards of looks, probably plenty more exist.  I hate to break it to you, but the world in general will unanimously agree which child received the supermodel genes and which didn't.

Since the Caucasian genes are recessive, this is how it turns out nearly every single time in these kinds of offspring, the child looks nothing like the white parent.  From a strict biological and natural selection point of view, the purpose of reproduction is solely to spread your genes into the future.  In the scenario above, what she has done is basically pass on her genes as non-influential junk DNA, while the African genes determined almost the entire outcome of the child where it doesn't resemble one of the parents at all.

Of course there will be tons of Marxists coming along to claim that mentioning African genes are dominant and Caucasian and Asian genes are recessive is "da raycism", because it doesn't take a genius to figure out that whatever genes compromise the recessive groups would basically be made extinct by full integration between all groups.  This infuriates the common Marxist because it blows the lid off their fake narrative where those groups of people tend to constantly push for things like conservation of variety in animal species, yet they would be pushing for the exact opposite in this case, the extinction of the recessive groups on purpose.


Bottom line: Klum is still totally bangable.



38. Post 13008014 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Richy_T on November 18, 2015, 08:35:50 PM
Nope. Who is at fault are those who decided to pick up weapons and strap on suicide vests. The question is how to best mitigate those. I don't really see that "race" factors into it though.

It'd be nice, but a world free of terrorism is unlikely. If the relevant state vigilance is weak results of this kind are inevitable.

It is unlikely in any case. I'm especially wary of unchecked immigration. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm an immigrant myself and have counted amongst my friends people from many races, cultures and religions and celebrate many of the things that exist in my life because of it. Assimilation is key though and France especially has allowed enclaves to develop where ideals that run counter to the ethos of western secularism have been allowed to build. Any realistic level of vigilance less than panopticon-levels will have trouble with that.

I subscribe everything you said. The real solution would be eradicating relics which should be consigned to the dustbin of history: namely fanaticism and religion (any religion) through reason, but this is my very own point of view and far less likely.



39. Post 13008159 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Ibian on November 18, 2015, 08:56:18 PM
Humans are not logical creatures with feelings. We are emotional animals with the ability to rationalize. Forget your fantasies and focus on reality. Racism is a core part of what makes humans human, and those who lack it will be replaced by those who do.

Sure, we aren't robots (thankfully) but if you're not indoctrinated in a vulnerable phase when your mind is still in formation, that is, during childhood, you probably won't blow yourself up because a fantasy book says that you'll get 7 (77?) virgins at your disposal if you kill "infidels".



40. Post 13008271 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Ibian on November 18, 2015, 09:03:40 PM
Humans are not logical creatures with feelings. We are emotional animals with the ability to rationalize. Forget your fantasies and focus on reality. Racism is a core part of what makes humans human, and those who lack it will be replaced by those who do.

Sure, we aren't robots (thankfully) but if you're not indoctrinated in a vulnerable phase when your mind is still in formation, that is, during childhood, you probably won't blow yourself up because a fantasy book says that you'll get 7 (77?) virgins at your disposal if you kill "infidels".
From a group-competitive perspective, it makes perfect sense. One of theirs for a dozen or more of ours is a good deal, evolutionary speaking.

The pivotal point is the creation of killers through indoctrination. There are many groups who can coexist peacefully: Harry Potter fans, "beliebers", even bitcoiners (actually for the last one I have some doubts) and they do no harm. They are welcome to expand their member base as they please. The issue is when you have to confront brainwashed fundamentalists, and you can solve the problem only by sparing the younglings the same treatment.



41. Post 13008370 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Ibian on November 18, 2015, 09:19:54 PM
Harry Potter fans are no threat to anyone. Ethnic groups, however...

The world has limited resources, whatever the masses want to believe. Humans have always competed, group to group, and that won't change. It's hardcoded on a genetic level. The only thing that changes is the precise form it takes. And this is the root of racism. Without racism it would not be possible to kill another people, but it would still be very possible to be killed. And so racism is a trait of evolutionary winners. And the immigrants are very, very racist. If we don't fight back, we will die out.

In Europe we've been killing each other for millennia and this wasn't due to skin colour shades. In the US volunteers regularly carry out executions with no distinction.
A human can easily kill another human being simply by inhibiting his or her empathic instincts.
About the world resources scarcity, this is a different matter. We're either too many or too inefficient, but our problem has been experienced countless times by other species: the depletion of resources which then become the limiting factor.



42. Post 13031211 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 21, 2015, 06:31:28 AM


FTFY



43. Post 13031846 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Finally! More dust to clog the ridiculous transaction rate.



44. Post 13043581 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on November 22, 2015, 08:17:52 PM
In a "permissioned ledger" (i.e., a distributed mirrored decentralized tamper-resistant database for a closed set of non-anonymous, legally bound entities), transaction processing would be done by the member entities, for whom the service would be compensation enough; and/or by external contractors, who would get paid in dollars through banks, the old-fashioned way.
They already have what you've described. It is called SWIFT.

Yes, I am sure that pretty good solutions that problem were known and used for many years before bitcoin.  Those solutions may not be universally used for many reasons -- including inertia and risk avoidance.  

Or safety.  Delays of hours or days in interbank transfers are an important safety feature, and maybe exist for that reason alone.   When instantaneous transfers are possible, bank hackers and money launderers often take advantage of them, by passing the stolen money through several banks in quick succession, to delay the investigators.  Kidnapping and armed robberies also becomes easier and safer, since the ransom can be paid from the victim's bank account and cashed out before the police becomes aware of the crime.

As far as I'm concerned the delay isn't due to safety issues: since deposits aren't assets for banks but liabilities wire transfers transmit pieces of liabilities which the beneficiary bank has to accept, and to this regard banks have actual accounts open at other banks or, when this isn't the case, there is always a third party that does (which may be another financial institution or the central bank). This is the interbank market with fees (such as the federal funds rate, Euribor, Libor) pricing in the banks creditworthiness.
The transfer orders of the day from the bank A to B are packed into a sheet which is edited in the afternoon and sent to B which will consider it the next work day morning. In the meantime bank B redacts the sheet with the transfer orders from B to A. From time to time only the differences are settled between the accounts of the banks held at each other, or between A, the intermediary and B. If one party goes bankrupt it can't honour its account any more and this affects the solvency of the other party or parties.
There isn't anything even remotely similar to a distributed ledger in this process.



45. Post 13043588 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

The "sheets redaction" is probably automated, partially at least, but there's always an employee or a dedicated section supervising the process given its importance.



46. Post 13105238 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 29, 2015, 09:39:20 PM
as the hours pass the following hours become increasingly critical

Fearing a crash I dumped my coins during the (European) night of the last 24th. The next day I opened Bitcoinwisdom at noon and less than five minutes later the price started to climb.
Losses or gains are realised within seconds.



47. Post 13105266 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Pump in formation as we speak.



48. Post 13214268 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: r0ach on December 11, 2015, 01:35:53 AM
So you can use BTC as you suggest alts should be used -- for moving your (presumably highly volatile) native currency into real money -- USD.

Yea, let's all convert our Bitcoin into Jewish paper confetti and watch as it goes to 0 value as they print an infinite amount more, great idea.  You Zionist spammers from the JIDF that have already created over 5000 pro-central banking spam accounts need better propaganda.



Money is just a tool. Fortunately for you folks at the Fed not only look after price stability, but also employment level, moderate long-term interest rates and the exchange rate.
The ECB in contrast follows monetarist approach (inflation targeting) exclusively.
The results speak for themselves (GDP growth):

In the past a unit of currency may have been worth more than now, but today you get more of said units and, actually, the amount you earn in deflated today's US dollars is still greater than what people used to earn (especially for the rich).

http://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/files/el2012-10-1.png
http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/charts/census/household-incomes-mean-real.gif

Quote from: suda123 on December 11, 2015, 03:39:20 AM
serious question for anyone here, what happens if the fed raises interest rates?

Financing cost increases, investment decreases due to deleveraging, more lay-offs and less hiring due to reduced investment. Bubbles inflated by cheap credit pop, especially in the emerging markets.
Given the current level of indebtedness, anaemic demand and low global GDP growth the economic cycle might be headed downwards, as it's old already.



49. Post 13223721 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

A bull trap is glittering from beneath the foliage.



50. Post 13223828 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: r0ach on December 12, 2015, 10:17:06 AM
Welp, called that one perfectly:



Anyone endowed with a minimum amount of common sense would have predicted that. When the price was 407 euros I set my buy limit at €382 and went to sleep (thankfully, or I'd have acted stupid).
The question is: will it last?



51. Post 13225504 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: LMGTFY on December 12, 2015, 01:39:52 PM
And china shit theirs pants Cheesy It was foreseeable

Was it China? It looks to me like the heavy volume during the dump was on the USD exchanges (well, stamp and finex) - on the CNY exchanges volume didn't seem to change during the dump.

Just petty Westerners overly anxious and with their eyes fixed onto the Chinese candles trying to anticipate any move.

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on December 12, 2015, 01:48:47 PM
It's probably just Christmas. I've been waiting for the price to climb as high as it can before about the 20th so I can sell and use any realized profit for presents. I expect small batches of sell offs between now and the 24th on USD exchanges will continue to happen as people find things they want to give as gifts.

Adorable explanation. lol



52. Post 13225666 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Well said, Voktar.



53. Post 13225882 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 12, 2015, 02:29:06 PM
A dump near the $500 was expected. Traders painting a double top. Also, some people are expected to cash out before years end for tax reassons.

I was a little worried we where climbing very fast in the last few days, so dumps like these give me confidence we are not going to crash hard in the next leg up.
we should head back down to 395 fast and start another slowly climb immediately




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54. Post 13228468 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

22:30 UTC ± ˝h might be fun.



55. Post 13229583 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Last moments to buy sub-430 USD.



56. Post 13230614 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on December 13, 2015, 12:01:04 AM
There is not enough time to actually send the coins from one exchange to the other, not to mention fiat.  So arbitragers must keep fiat and BTC balances in both exchanges.  

Arbitrage is to place what speculation is to time.
I don't see how the method you have outlined would work: you don't level communicating vessels obstructing the connection.



57. Post 13233989 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on December 13, 2015, 04:47:40 AM
Suppose that you have 10 BTC and 5000 USD in each of the exchanges X and Y. Suppose that the price has been rock solid at 500, with plenty of liquidity and tiny spread, in both exchanges.  Your total worth is 20 BTC and 10000 USD.

Price drops in exchange X, and you see an ask of 1 BTC at 490 there.  You buy 1 BTC at X for 490 and sell 1 BTC at Y for 500.  Suppose that it raises the price at X back to 500 BTC.

You now have 11 BTC and 4510 USD at X,  9 BTC and 5500 USD at Y.  Your total worth is now 20 BTC and 10010 USD -- you made a 10 USD profit.

If prices in X and Y fall below the price paid to acquire bitcoins minus the spread the arbitrageur incurs losses. I see speculation in X and speculation in Y under a central-bank-like approach, not strict arbitrage.



58. Post 13234786 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Slow but steady demand-driven price growth. Wonderful.




59. Post 13235660 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Let's see if the Chinese have manned up in order to break the three thousand level.



60. Post 13249367 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Halaman on December 14, 2015, 09:34:52 PM
I remember you crying about about your short position 6-7 hours before the crash. I remember how you where thinking to close your short. I remember how you where desperately asking for advice. I remember how you got arrogant when it crashed and how you where right. You have had this additud ever since.
I must say I liked you more when you where loosing. At least you where humble then.

Where, adverb; were, verb.
 
Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 14, 2015, 09:56:26 PM
Things are lookin up.

Not necessarily.

This is just guns being reloaded.



61. Post 13249471 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Tzupy on December 14, 2015, 10:11:40 PM
After the pump failed, I think it's time to test support (it may take several days of slow downslide). Planning to buy back around 400$.

Choose a comfortable seat.



62. Post 13249888 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

The moment of truth is approaching. There's not much time left to redeem yourselves.



63. Post 13255793 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 14, 2015, 11:07:04 PM
The moment of truth is approaching. There's not much time left to redeem yourselves.

The Rapture?








64. Post 13256613 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

A break-out appears to be imminent. It had better be downwards.





















Only joking.



65. Post 13256783 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Kraken is about to pierce through December 12th peak.



66. Post 13257257 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

What is it?



67. Post 13266592 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Fiat, come to me.



68. Post 13266772 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Bullish in the medium time-frame, bearish now.
The Price Goes Down!



69. Post 13266895 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

It's unlikely the Fed will hike rates: the world is addicted to cheap credit now and the restrictive monetary policy would send the global GDP to oblivion.



70. Post 13267407 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

The usually conservative Kraken looks now bullish. lol



71. Post 13268196 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Bitfinex has been leading the dump. If the price goes again below $450 things might get interesting; let's see if the teddybears manage to excite a whale.



72. Post 13268508 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Wedge end is closing in (UTC+1).




73. Post 13268944 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

RIP bulls.



74. Post 13269013 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: spooderman on December 16, 2015, 06:19:19 PM
someone dumps 300 coins and it's "RIP bulls"? really?

Oh, it's just my ex-ante omen, as usual.



75. Post 13269114 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

It looks like it'll be an underwhelming slow-motion action. Alas, whales must be sleeping.



76. Post 13269441 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Oh, now I'm relieved.



77. Post 13269570 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: DrShell on December 16, 2015, 07:24:25 PM
I can't post pictures because I'm a newbie.

But look at the EUR-USD Chart, doesn't it look exactly like the BTC/USD chart ? (same curve kinda ...)
EUR dipped than returned in an instant ...

Will be a nice rollercoaster tru the night ...

Price movements in Kraken follow a more conservative - sometimes anxious - path.
Now Moon.



78. Post 13269860 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Bitfinex price is still oscillating around the median of the previous wedge, but given that it rebounded onto the four-day lower trend line (which I'm glad we've just tested) we might be headed upwards.



79. Post 13276204 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: TERA on December 17, 2015, 06:34:12 AM


It may not be entirely useless as traders, by thinking of having found a pattern and following it catch the attention of other traders who, surmising the same, reinforce the scheme in a self-fulfilling prophecy.



80. Post 13276426 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: toy4lov3rs on December 17, 2015, 01:04:30 PM
Bitcoin is in stall mode?

It was stalling in Bitfinex so the stall-recovery procedures were implemented and now it's slowly regaining altitude thanks also to the Chinese who cleave the air.



81. Post 13277389 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

It seems like it wants to tumble again.




82. Post 13278213 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on December 17, 2015, 04:11:23 PM
TERA makes piles of money trading ponzi schemes

How long does one have to be preoccupied with trading on a daily basis to earn, let's say, twenty grand a year? What would the required initial capital be?



83. Post 13278286 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on December 17, 2015, 04:37:33 PM
If you are good enough, you could do it with a thousand bucks. If you suck, you could turn a million bucks into twenty grand in a year.

I guess we won't get statistical information... not that Homo statisticus' (Bitcoin) average trader exists, but it's indicative. Anecdotal (but actual) evidence is welcome too.



84. Post 13278440 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on December 17, 2015, 04:49:16 PM
The average trader loses money. It's close to the Parato ratio 80:20 losers:winners. Not that many of the losers will admit that.

Time and expertise are surely cardinal elements. I was precisely interested in knowing the number of hours that a bitcoin trader who actually makes money devotes every day to the activity.



85. Post 13278521 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: alesx.onfire on December 17, 2015, 05:04:37 PM
holding fiat has burned me zero times

Inflation, though, lightly scorches you; that's why one has to invest her savings.



86. Post 13278600 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Thanks.



87. Post 13280625 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

https://youtu.be/Vr-0LiQA6wo?t=42s




88. Post 13280836 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: jbreher on December 17, 2015, 09:20:52 PM
If people don't want the crap that's being made, it is self-evident that their needs are being met. If people's needs are being met, there is no problem.

In times of uncertainty there's a lower tendency to spend, hence less sales, less jobs, less household income, more uncertainty - repeat.



89. Post 13306806 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Yep.



90. Post 13336420 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

The "invisible hand" as commonly misunderstood would only work if there weren't asymmetric information nor externalities.
Furthermore in the past, when capitalists would observe "God, Fatherland, Family", laissez-faire capitalism had natural boundaries which are absent today and the tragedy of the commons is a reminder of the need for limits.



91. Post 13337298 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on December 23, 2015, 03:13:17 PM
The market clears information asymmetries and externalities.

Would you care to provide evidence?



92. Post 13337514 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on December 23, 2015, 03:18:48 PM
The "invisible hand" as commonly misunderstood would only work if there weren't asymmetric information nor externalities.
Furthermore in the past, when capitalists would observe "God, Fatherland, Family", laissez-faire capitalism had natural boundaries which are absent today and the tragedy of the commons is a reminder of the need for limits.
The market clears information asymmetries and externalities. You are confusing neoclassical economics with real economics.


Oh my god you just can't say this it's too stupid  Grin

You're whether trolling or plain stupid. As if all actors had all the same information and there was no externalities xD
I think I am way more smarter than you.

And I am not saying what you think I am saying.

Externalities and informational asymmetry only exist regarding an abstract world of market perfection. They are the by-product of an abstract and irrealistic theory. The real market (as opposed to the perfect one, which is a misguided mental construction) handle those two "problems" better than any other mechanism.

In the most renowned European languages the concrete meaning of "to produce" is to make, manufacture, fabricate things and it is a concept which evolved from agriculture: plants pro-duce, bring forth, bear fruit.



93. Post 13338676 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on December 23, 2015, 03:48:09 PM
There is no evidence per se.

You just need to understand that nobody has the same information, it's a fact of life and whatever amount of centralisation you introduce in the production system will not change this fact. The best way to handle this is to allow information to circulate freely across the economy and the best way do to that is to let the price system convey them (it doesn't mean every body will have the same information, but it means it's the best way to distribute information). You can read the seminal paper The Use Of Knowledge in Society, written by Hayek if you want a more formal explanation.

Regarding externalities, you can read The Theory of the Firm, written by Coase. This paper explains that the more property rights are enforced the more tend to diminish the so called externalities (ie. externalities are no the consequence of the functionning of a market, but the consequences of a lack of thereof).

One could burp rather than uttering an unsubstantiated claim and get the same result.
"Nobody has the same information". That's right: this is the definition of asymmetric information. The solution to this issue is hard to envisage, not to mention to implement, and this is the fundamental reason why the much sought-after free-market "equilibrium" is a chimaera whose proponents, unbeknownst to them, effectively adopt an economic scheme in which, at the end of any process, there's a benevolent dictator who evens out any ruggedness (of which the concept of "ceteris paribus", "all else being equal" is often a pernicious symptom).

Emissions, present in any economic activity, are an example of negative externalities and they can be addressed pricing them. Not doing so - thereby introducing a terrible mismatch in the resources valuation - is one of the failures of the "free market".

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on December 23, 2015, 04:02:09 PM
Nowadays in most countries the service sector make up more than the half of the GDP, so you mean that more than half  of the world production is not real "production".

It's best to talk about economics by using the meaning of words which pertains to this discipline.

I only gave you the correct definition which seven-year-old children already master.
Would you say to "produce" a service? Of course services add to the gross domestic product, "product" in the monetary sense. Nevertheless, services are acts, performances.

The vocabulary doesn't bite, my friend.



94. Post 13347409 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Kraken BTC withdrawal fee is 50k satoshi but usually far less is paid to the network and that, expectedly, lengthens the confirmation time.
As an example, Kraken paid less than 8500 satoshi for my last transaction which has been waiting for its first confirmation for an hour and a half, and this is the second time that happens to me.

If they want their pittance, fine, but at least they should allow us to set the actual transaction fee. I can't understand why it's not an available option yet.



95. Post 13347635 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Thanks for your kind advice, billyjoeallen. I'm sure you could employ your precious energy in far more productive activities other than aimlessly (suspiciously?) repeating yourself.



96. Post 13347746 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

It's fair to say that any mentally sane person who stumbled across this issue isn't glad given the current state of affairs. But surely your behaviour won't help.



97. Post 13390341 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on December 29, 2015, 03:49:38 PM
why is everybody ignoring the $10 pump trap? almost no resistance.

Fixed that for you.



98. Post 13455685 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Why does Houbi look like it's operating in the past on Bitcoinwisdom?



99. Post 13455888 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

People in Kraken feel bullish.



100. Post 13461684 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

The micro sale is ending.



101. Post 13481673 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):




102. Post 13565833 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Small cockers do suffer from some sort of Freudian Blockstream™-induced big(ger)-block anxiety which prevents them from seeing that Bitcoin is FUBAR unless the arbitrary limit is immediately raised.



103. Post 13566904 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: CuntChocula on January 15, 2016, 11:24:54 PM
So this is all because of Mike? Sad

Mike only stated facts. Small blockians are those to blame.



104. Post 13567086 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: ImI on January 15, 2016, 11:31:27 PM
Its not about big or small blocks its about being a fucking dramaqueen!

Just an understandable physiological outburst given all the incompetence around him.

I use Bitcoin to transfer funds to Venezuela, a country whose sole export, oil, is now produced at the cost of $20 a barrel and sold for $25 a barrel.
Which one is going to fail first?



105. Post 13579998 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on January 17, 2016, 03:58:47 AM
https://bitcoinclassic.consider.it/  seems like a typical alt coin page

Can't you even differentiate second-level domains?

Edit: apparently it's legit.



106. Post 13714313 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 29, 2016, 02:15:07 PM
nothing will happen it will go hit 400 and back down to 385 and then kinda flat line at 395

For me the current price is $30 too high in the short term.



107. Post 13714588 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Reading the word segwit makes me nauseous.



108. Post 13714637 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Dump coming.



109. Post 13714824 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 29, 2016, 03:18:25 PM
https://stampery.com/ - free notery service

just throwing this out there, the blockchain really is useful.
*notary service

Public notaries exist for *legal* reasons. A *court* has to accept the notarization as valid.
Start learning here Smiley

lol you really think Courts aren't going to accept blockchain tech?

LOL

Until then it's not a notary service.



110. Post 13724423 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: shmadz on January 30, 2016, 03:14:49 PM
am so glad i trusted my instincts and bought 100 at $372.58  Cool
390 it is right now and variation upwards more than downwards.

am so glad I distrust anything from an account that was bought.

What's the matter, couldn't find anything else to do with your life?

but if it drops to $380-$385 am dumping all and do something else with my life.

I wonder what's the point of buying an account if one's willing to reveal that. Some people have more money than sense.

Quote from: nor9865 on January 28, 2016, 06:32:57 AM
its a bought account from mid last year



111. Post 13775082 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Any in-depth articles about Kraken, whether its security layer has been breached, coins stolen, etc.?



112. Post 13775264 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

The exchange is broken and it looks like it's operative only through API (I wonder how much longer).
Can you guys recommend any good crash-courses on API? I need to withdraw my funds.



113. Post 14096761 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Uncovered what's off-topic here:



...questioning the off-topicness of posts.

lolllllll

That post was months old. Does the moderator have a fetish for old disussions?



114. Post 14097493 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

392, baby!



115. Post 14105146 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Core developers are a bunch of hopeless cretins.
I just need this shitcoin to hold a little more so that I can conclude my affairs in the shitcountry that is Venezuela.



116. Post 14105228 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: Tzupy on March 05, 2016, 02:50:20 PM
12h MACD is about to cross into negative. Last time this happened price dropped from 430$ to 350$.

Yesterday I warned about the possible crash, but Adam was still seeing triple bottoms... Roll Eyes
He saw the triple buttocks that got violated.



117. Post 14105732 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

lol, everyone is leveraged long on the ineffable coin on Kraken, margin trading buttons are greyed out.



118. Post 14336007 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 27, 2016, 08:57:36 PM
Wow, what did I miss?
the easter bunny's bull trap.



119. Post 14344679 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Meanwhile, in the world of the ineffable coin:





120. Post 14344912 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Full astern!




121. Post 14376826 (copy this link) (by Divitiae miserae) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Is chartbuddy going to come back?