Dude ChartBuddy I swear on me mum please just stfu... 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/5892/text

Makes sense now, good news = price drop.

Nearly every time

What is "DPR" please?

Link please?

if we don't push to the downside soon there is a good chance that i was wrong with going lower and we actually go up from here...

what i dont get: what can possibly be so hard to know when a fckn equity starts trading?

afaik the problem are not missing sellers but missing "green light"

Huh? I thought people were still waiting for their shares to be processed so they can go and sell them!? Isn't that what we're all waiting for. Barry couldn't go and provide a "start date" when the only thing missing are shares to be processed.

Such wow, some retarded people pretend that they are going to buy a !derivative! from btc ~45% higher than the actual price of btc itself, and you people are discussing that shit here, lmao. If they wanted to invest in btc - they would buy on finex all that 5000 btc itself by a single buy from 235-250$, dont be silly, its just nothing but a weak price manipulation from barny simpson barry silbert.

You guyz are gonna hate me.
I'm needing 6-8 weeks of stability. I'm gaming up bonuses[deposit/then draw out/no bet]
on offshore online sports betting sites.
[not Bitcoin-only sites, btw... Bovada, 5Dimes, etc.]
After that, fire away mah babies [as Conan sez].
Watching Cramer right now on CNBC. Between oil up, and stocks thrashing,
BTC could get a bit volatile for anyone's tastes this summer...

Don't forget to thank the shareholders for putting up the capital invested in the business and giving you all a job.

If someone really bought at those prices, everyone buying into GBTC - no matter at which time - would have made a profit. I mean, it's clear some people will just want to grab the first shares traded on the ETF, but buying at those prices is insane. They're either trying to confuse people about the value of a single share (1/10 of a BTC) or try to make a quick buck in a crazy emerging market.

Wait a minute,

Are you telling me that if I held this financial instrument for at least one year, I would be able to sell the derivative for almost twice the price of the underlying asset?

This makes no sense

.01 * 100 = 1 share of GBTC which equals ~.1 BTC so currently the price of BTC on GBTC is $1750/BTC

Does anyone know how long it take to receive the cash after you sell your matured shares ?

He drew random lines to a pennant shape. On a 15m chart.

Anyway, cheap shorts are looking good

You are going to be eaten alive. This is because you are soft and squishy.

Is it too late to give a reason?

My reason is law of 5's

27 = 2 + 7 = 9
07=  0 + 7 = 7
2017 = 2 + 0 + 1 + 7 = 10

9 + 7 + 10 = 26

2 + 6 = 8

8 = 2³

2 + 3 = 5

Simple Law of Fives!

In simple terms, why you should hope cryptocurrency dies and gold and silver defeats them:

All cryptocurrencies are inherently rent seeking usury systems and a pseudo form of debt based currency if you will. The PoW chain does not just magically stay up on it's own, it requires a constant upkeep to exist at all (rent). A peer to peer physical gold or silver transaction can be done with no overhead cost; they're the equivalent of an off-chain transaction with no landlord or monopoly man gouging you with usury fees. 

Cryptocurrency is completely different.  Even if you attempt to do off-chain transactions via something like lightning network, or even in-person transactions with physical bitcoin bearer bonds, the transactions ALWAYS have to be settled on-chain eventually, so you are NEVER escaping the rent seeking usury system.  Since the blockchain is highly scaling constrained, it's like condeming yourself to extreme usury in the end game.  Bitcoin PoW is designed to centralize and the cartels running the mining operations will either be taken over by TPTB who already run the current system, or will just be a recreation of them in practice.

The further you abstract money away from barter, the larger a scam it is.  Only physical commodity based currencies are sound money while also being the only thing that allows you to escape the debt based, rent seeking usury system.

They all are due to BIP91. If they don't, they risk getting their solved blocks orphaned.

So BCH supposedly has a $6.3B marketcap #4, yet no one has figured out how to get access to theirs, no one has traded any, knows where to sell it for fiat, etc.

Now does everyone see why those supposed marketcap figures on coinmarketcap.com are complete bullshit?   

"Cashcoin Unlimited New Technology Systems"

Has a nice ring to it..... bit of a mouthful

If you are loaded you can already renounce US citizenship and take another one, ideally in a country which does not tax foreign capital gains.

Yep. When someone have enough money he can do some things. ie: You cash out your first couple of millions, and pay taxes on them. With that money buy a residence in some tax heaven place. Monaco is expensive but a great option if you can afford it. Now you can keep cashing the rest without worries.

Why? How does it work in the USA? If you establish your residence for a few years in that other place isn't that place where you pay taxes and not in the usa? I mean unless we are talking about real state or corporates that are in the USA in first place. Bitcoins are "nowhere".

Guys what are your predictions for this end of the week? I think the price will break the $4,5k barrier support, so it can go up for a while and then make a retracement of $200 or $300 like it has been in the last two days.
I read on this forum that in August 23 there was going to be another Segwit feature, do you have any idea what is gonna happen in that day?

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. But not so sure about that just for keeping most of the stash offline it would change that for any BTC sell in the exchange it would be the older one suppossed to be sold (even if it is in some cold storage you have had for years). So if you have ie 100 BTC offline and 10 BTC in a exchange, and you sell/rebuy it 10 times (or more) in a year, you have basically sold and rebought your entire stash (short term).

But... Maybe the fact that margin trading is not exactly as if you were really buying/selling BTC but just something like "betting" in one or other direction (long/short) it could be considered a separate thing from your long term stash. And if you declare that you only had that X BTC that you have on exchange so nothing older being sold..... then it will be a BIG problem to try to declare those older BTC in the future as it's basically as if they "surfaced" from nowhere.

My tax advisor almost doesn't know the specifics about cryptocurrencies and I am starting to get really worried about all this.

Thanks for your reply!

Personally, I'd just declare any earnings as long term capital gains, pay the 15%, and be done with it.

Yep, if the amount you take out plus your income is over $38k you have to pay 20% on long term capital gains.

Even if you are a US citizen outside of the US.

Current top of the 15% income tax bracket is $37,950 according to https://www.fool.com/retirement/2016/12/04/your-guide-to-tax-brackets-in-2017.aspx
Any earned income above that puts you into the 25% income tax bracket which also puts you in the 20% capital gains bracket.

Can I understand Segwit 2x like this:

Let's say:
-  most of the initial NYA miners switch to Segwit 2x (BTC1), which represents >80% of total hashing power;
-  most of the nodes (>80%) stayed with core (as of today: 6344 core nodes vs 184 BTC1 nodes, source: coindance; perhaps we can throw in also bitcoin 920 ABC nodes and 694 BU nodes to BTC1 side?)

In this case, hard fork happens, and Segwit 2x coin gets >80% of hashing power but only <20% nodes;
Core coin gets <20% of hashing power but >80% nodes;

Then which one is Bitcoin? the one with more hashing power? Or more nodes (users?)?

I'm very confused.

I don't know Why but i Just want to make same ATH guess like last time
Rules ....: the one  with the right date of ATH gets .25 btc paid directly  (UTC time)    (closest to ATH.....)
I look to Every page in here from now When a date is picked first iT cannot been taken again ( 1st =1st)
Another .25 btc is rewarded for ho makes best of technical analyse of the time When we strike ATH.... and Why iT happens at that time.....
So This .25 also only to been payed 1 time .... and not 2 times te same explanation.... (1st =1st)

Both answers to win must been inside before 20-09-2017
Goodluck to the ones that like This 

UPDATE listmaking                 notice a * is when the person put good enough explanation for other .25 BTC  (person with no * only play ATH or have to put little better )

25/9 binaryreign*
28/9 khufuking
29/9 jhayzxenon*
30/9 yermom
05/10 punisher1314*
07/10 player514*
10/10 bikerlezno*     LAST WINNER
11/10 ted e. bare
14/10 bitcoinaire*
15/10 ludwigvon*
17/10 shroomskit_disgrace
18/10 dakustaking76
21/10 paashaas
22/10 cmacwiz*
23/10 spaceman_spiff_original*
25/10 soullyG
04/11 lilloboy
05/11 jojo69*
06/11 d_eddie*
07/11 empowering*
09/11 podyx*
10/11 u9y42*
11/11 starving_marvin
13/11 dotto*
14/11 hazukison*
17/11 foxygoxy*
20/11 drbrockcoin*
22/11 rakessh
21/11 icygreen*
23/11 erisdiscordia
25/11 mfort312*
26/11 globbo*
27/11 lfc_bitcoin
29/11 rjclarck2000
30/11 last of the v8s *
05/12 fluidjax
10/12 fragout*
15/12 philivey
24/12 bones261*
26/12 karatma1*
30/12 erre
18/01/2018 raja_mbz*
26/01/2018 kurious*
28/01/2018 steelboy*
20/04/2018 fractal universe*
15/06/2018 samson

I vote for 28/11 for the next ATH, because of this TA:
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/tQdPi2AP-BTCUSD-to-6-000-calling-it-again/

WARNING! FOR ETHEREUM/ETHEREUM CLASSIC HODLERS WHO BOUGHT ETH/ETC WITH BTC! (applies to me as well)

Do NOT multiply the current ETH/ETC in your wallet with its current BTC value...
YOU MIGHT GET A HEART ATTACK!
I faced one few minutes back, and still having trouble recovering from it.

How much hours left in fork approximately?

why?

sell off should be Thursday, Friday as bitcoin gold all done

fake sell off, profit taking (likely, excellent amount of buy orders to sell into)

this dump has me stumped

BCH is a non-starter, didn't stop anybody from hucking money at it.

21M maybe? 

muh corREKTion has arrived, finally. 

I would every terrorist, imprisoned, play "countrymusic" until he explodes !

I dont think enough people get that 2X isnt or might not be just another free airdrop. The only scenario that both chains survive is if replay protection is included in either one. Both sides have no plans for this, so its going to be a battle which only one side will prevail. To make matters worse, the winning conditions are not even agreed upon. One side says hash rate majority wins and the other says market cap.
To me the very fact that a battle even exists when btc is hitting records in both marketcap and mainstream attention is just baffling

This is not unlike why Bear Stearns put option had values for a while even though the investment bank had already collapsed.  That is, people cover short and booking profit to get their money out of system before some system wide credit freeze or FED bailout will turn their paper profit into nothing but paper.  When S2X future is almost worthless, you are taking counterparty risk by holding that contract and keeping your BTC on Bitfinex.

How much of the total hasing power(bitcoin+bch) does bitcoin cash have in percentage right now?

BCH price in BTC at the moment:
Coinmarketcap.com    0.38
Coincap.io                       0.33

Which is more accurate?

If Monday comes and we're still bleeding down like Peter R. imagines we will be, I'm going to start daytarding. Simple as that.

How is this for a new scam idea - send me 500BTC and I will send you an image of my own creation, with a resolution of 1280x960 - great for a desktop background.

Oh sorry - someone has already SUCCESSFULLY done this back in the day.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25

Proof - the address still has $4m
https://blockchain.info/address/1BHtsCnpmTvpgJEP7eMKEVhpJFunxSM8vq

What exchange trades BTG?

Type BTG into the search box at Coinmarketcap.

Must be nice thou....to have money, BEFORE, you won the settlement with Facebook.

I'm unclear though, how much of the settlement did they put into Bitcoin? All of it? Or what proportion?

If it was ALL OF IT..they have a lot more balls, then I gave them credit for previously, and they could barely walk then!

Or what happens if $18000 is breaches?

Wash trading. Just like last time. And the time before.

Breaking 24777$ prediction game


09/01/2018 explorer
13/01/2018 undeadbitcoiner
14/01/2018 northypole
15/01/2018 ivomm
25/01/2018 orpington
27/01/2018 LFC_bitcoin
28/01/2018 jojo69
31/01/2018 realsteelboy
12/02/2018 yonton
13/02/2018 Wekkel
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06/03/2018 sa_94
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05/11/2018 mikenz


Maybe because its This time of the year we make a small game Just to call 24777$ (CET) the one with the day of breaking This price wins .25 BTC
The list Will be Made after This post So When a date is taking iT cannot been taken again
When the winning date is exactly in the middle of 2 each Will get .25
Oterwhise closest to the winning date wins

LIST MAKING ENDS 25-12-2012 @ 22.00 cet

Ummm, they are so confused.   The Tax bill signed into law by President Trump of the U.S.A.  a few days ago, redefines all like of kind exchanges only for real estate and excludes crypto."  So they said it does not then say it does.  I think they have no damn clue what they are talking about.

Is basically every "Equihash" altcoin reliant on the trusted setup (destruction of master key ceremony)? Not just Zcash, zclassic, but Bitcoin Gold as well?

Can anyone comment? All equihash coins = trust in trusted setup. (if so, what a crappy "gpu"-mineable algo that bitcoin-gold team chose - dubious)

Pretty much this. I know I'm planning on selling xx% of my stash to retire, but on my terms and hopefully when it's on a high. I'm not going to sell in a bear market as I've been bullish long - Not going to get my coins cheap, damnit !

If the price doesn't recover to a place that I'm comfortable selling at, I wait another quarter. Not ideal, but I've resigned myself to waiting till Q2 if needed.

I've told myself that "As long as I'm left with $10M USD worth of BTC, after I sell off enough to fund my retirement for the next 20 years, I'll be happy."

Happy is a relative term though. At these prices, I'm technically "happy... enough..." I would like to sell off my BTC feeling "very happy" if you know what I mean.

I should probably just shut up until after I've executed my plans, and pray it's still in the cards for end of Q1.

Don't like this action around $14k territory. Makes me nervous.

No shit, all this volatility is really starting to stress me out.

I'll be happy when I'm "out" and have the portfolio set up and working for me.

The BTC I'm left sitting with will hopefully appreciate nicely over the next 10 years or so.

/randomthoughts

What is Bitcoin Atom?

Agreed.  My bet is that this isn't actually a crash, but a correction and that the bull market is still in tact.  I suspect we'll see new ATHs for bitcoin in 2018.  

I also suspect the ratio of the two bitcoins (BCH / BTC) will be much higher though once people sober up and realize the problems with BTC....cough....cough....

Since windjc asked me this exact question last week, I'll quote my response to him:

"I view money as a ledger.  Or "money as memory," as per the work of Kocherlakota. From this viewpoint, it is the information encoded in the ledger about who owns which coins that is of value.  The actual mechanism used to update that ledger is just a technical decision -- which is the best paper to write on?  Which is the best pen?

Bitcoin Cash (BCH) and Bitcoin Core (BTC) share the same ledger up until August 1.  At this point, the "ledger updating mechanisms" diverged (BCH allowed more information about the state of the ledger to be updated every ten minutes to facilitate growth).

Switching to LTC would be like ripping up the "ledger of money" because the pen we were using to update it ran out of ink.  Instead, just get a better pen and keep updating the same ledger."

What is your interpretation of this ?

Double bottom usually means the end of Bitcoin right?

Is there an address I can send my bitcoins due to it coming to an end?

The example you give cannot happen or should not because the market capital only relates to floated stock.   If Bill Gates owns 10% of the company and its the same stock he held since the 1980's then its not part of the market cap.  Same should apply to Bitcoin really, if the address is never used then its not part of the fairly rapid monetary velocity which makes up Bitcoin value.    That guy who lost his laptop in a landfill doesnt count as value, theres HODL and theres lost to any practical use forever so clearly he and that address should not be popping up on TV screens as 'the value of:'

I keep saying it and it keeps happening.

The one no-one's watching - Unobtanium. Now 4 years old.

Try getting your hands on it - you can't.

Now $170. Immense !!

Yes they do actually.

Because the entire nature of these markets is characterised by two harmonics interacting with each other:

 • speculataion
 • fair value

If you've been around for a few years you'll have noticed that anything that comes onto the market always has a bow wave. Litecoin, Peercoin, NxT, Bitshares....you name it.

That "bow wave" is fuelled by speculation over some apparently unique characteristic. Then as new stuff comes along people forget about it and with profit takes - the asset "fades away".

But the unique characteristic didn't "fade away" and for a very select few of them starts to be revalued at fair value. That's what's happening with Unobtanium - one of the few early Alts created in the "supernova" of 2013/14 never to be repeated. It was expensive, then cheap and now getting expensive again, except this time for real rather than speculative reasons.

So the prices we're seeing now (even measured in BTC) are likely never to be revisited.

#dyor

Take care all. #cryptouplift

Death cross means there is no bottom.
I thought we would reverse around 7k for a bear trap...
Looks like I gotta close my longs...
Rsi is at 30... dunno how much lower it can go.

My margin call is at 4k.
Considering waiting till rebound.

The only real benefit to putting company stocks on a blockchain, is that the end Joe investor could lay claim to the actual stock shares. Which is completely impossible to do today.

It would also effectively end creative tactics such as naked shorting, stock leasing (i.e. re-hypothecation of stocks) and 'phantom shares'. And in many cases, the out-and-out fraud of creating new stock shares out of thin air.

But I'm skeptical, because for these very reasons the financial trading establishment won't adopt stock issuance on a blockchain. It would completely end their corruption, and they're not going to stand for that.

very quick short list  for a small "game list" or how i have to call it..... only  when breaking 12288 dollar price.....  almost same rules as the list before just a winning date AND
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              .15 BTC for correct date
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              only accounts with minimum 5 Merit and 20 activity (last time to many new pop't up   )
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LIST CLOSES tuesday 12 CET allways CET time  no execptions
just for quick enjoyment

normal tommorrow i look @the dates.... firts one posted has the choosen date , some one with the same date have too take another one so look out a bit....
DATES sended in PERSONAL MESSAGE will    NOT count

let us break back 5-digits

Aaaaaaaand now its bearish again.

RSI pointing down bouncing off 40.

Apparently this line will change its angle up to 180 degrees during the day. Seen it myself. Live.

yea I was doing that but thought I could be mr smarty pants and do technical analysis cuz I watched youtube videos promoting this bullshit.

Back to HODLing with what's left of my pathetic december investment.

Uh no asshole that was me noting that the RSI doesn't stay where it is on the daily chart even though it says daily, but changes all throughout the day. Fuck you.

nice to see the train moving again in the right direction!!

 

bear season is over!

Before I metaphorically rip you a new asshole, please show me the part in the Bitcoin white paper that tells us to trust 0 confirmation transactions.

Satoshi strongly implied the need for second layer solutions later on. Meanwhile, the entire fucking premise of bitcoin is based on "Don't trust, verify", but the backwards bcash 0-conf crowd is basically saying "Trust, and maybe verify. But verification isn't really needed, since we trust Jihan Wu, Roger Ver, and Craig Wright so much".

If you're going to look to the whitepaper as the Word of God, then you can't ignore the New Testament. And I don't give a fuck who's using SPV wallets.

Whitepaper, section 8, SPV wallets described.

9400 looks strong to break...

so we had a 1 day candle correction.... pretty easy! Are we getting to 10k?

Last time we bounced of the daily 70 RSI. Will the manipulators allow it to go to 80 this time?

Is this a weekend dump? Where’s the bottom?

In some cases that's true. But for most people in the U.S., they basically end up spending 1.5X to 2X as much for the cost of their house over the life of the loan than they would have spent on rent for that same period.

And most people rarely stay in their house more than 10 years. So every time they sell, they lose on cap gain taxes. Then they start the whole debt clock over again with a brand new 30 yr mortgage with fresh new interest. So effectively, they never end up owning anything.