All posts made by Teppino in Bitcointalk.org's Wall Observer thread



1. Post 5188916 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.11h):

Once withdrawn from Gox there should be no need to dump elsewhere as you already profited from the low buy price, still i guess the fear of others blind dumping may spark a race and bring down the price.
Am i missing something?



2. Post 5236402 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.13h):

First a greeting to Jorge from Venezia  Wink

Then a question: actually moving money around has a high cost and friction due to fees applied by banks and entities like paypal and so. How do you explain this in relation to the basic physic you named?
Could it be that we already have been made poor (thus engaged in a worldwide ponzi scheme driven by inflation) and bitcoin, being technologically superior, is giving us back a part of what has been taken (if not stolen)?

p.s. apologies for the bad grammar!



3. Post 5236916 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.13h):

Quote from: shmadz on February 19, 2014, 01:48:54 PM
First a greeting to Jorge from Venezia  Wink

Then a question: actually moving money around has a high cost and friction due to fees applied by banks and entities like paypal and so. How do you explain this in relation to the basic physic you named?
Could it be that we already have been made poor (thus engaged in a worldwide ponzi scheme driven by inflation) and bitcoin, being technologically superior, is giving us back a part of what has been taken (if not stolen)?

p.s. apologies for the bad grammar!

Good question. Imagine the "money circle" game, except you are handing around those $50 bills in a circle of friends in 10 different countries. Using fiat and paying exorbitant fees this game would obviously not last long.

Next, imagine that there was some magical, mystical way that you could track the money as it floats from friend to friend and that as soon as one person tries to "pocket" the cash all the other participants would know instantly that the money did not go where it should have because they were all auditing everyone else's transactions in real time...

Agreed 100%, if  that's the case the wealth influx needed to fuel bitcoin full growth has been already been payed by everyone using the current bank system in all those past years.
Then, whilst it is true that the " bitcoin takeoff" has been quite similiar of a ponzi scheme, once it becomes an official exchanged currency it will find his natural habitat and will get his value from other currencies (aka from the past).



4. Post 5594219 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.25h):

Quote from: PoolMinor on March 08, 2014, 08:32:26 PM
I decided I would take one for the team and sell some BTC, this usually triggers an upswing immediately afterward. You're welcome!  Cry

yep it worked, made me smile but i'm sorry for your (hope small) loss, unless you were just joking  Tongue



5. Post 6209434 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.37h):

Quote from: TERA on April 14, 2014, 08:01:39 AM


Or maybe this one, but this would mean we aren't even rallying right now.

spirit of fonzie, leave this body!



6. Post 6220404 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.37h):

i think miners are getting paid under trend but obviously  above market prices, if you look at how far we are from trend price you'll realize it's the most profitable manipulation that could be made from "big money"



7. Post 6319075 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.39h):

i feel that with 3d macd crossing upward will also come some positive news from China



8. Post 6520566 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.42h):

Now we need another poll about what substance took the guy who voted "euphoria"



9. Post 6520651 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.42h):

Quote from: xulescu on May 03, 2014, 09:02:18 AM
Now we need another poll about what substance took the guy who voted "euphoria"

Mixed the pills again grandpa?

I'm strong and handsome  Grin



10. Post 6535727 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.42h):

+2 euphoria votes, is silkroad back?



11. Post 6572734 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.43h):

Quote from: TERA on May 06, 2014, 11:38:57 AM

hello,

1) just to say it's a plaisure to read you since few days, and see that you talk 99% about the initial topic. ( and not social,  etc...Maybe the ''bet story'' wasn't necessary ;-)  )  

2) Why china rule the BTC world, and not the US ? Is it like this from the begining ?!
China inflated bitcoin 1000% with its trillion dollar shadow currency market, which does not exist in the U.S.

How do we know for sure that numbers? I'm not trying to troll, but i just want to figure out something i might have missed.
As far as i know we had bubbles of comparable magnitude before, with or without China. Add to this the probably fake volume of their exchanges and some doubt might arise. I'm not saying they had no part at all, but maybe they just played the bull market skillfully and now they're doing the same on the bearish waters. But a skillfull player role is very different from market maker one.



12. Post 6590441 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.43h):

Or same ol' insiders frontrunning



13. Post 6671420 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.44h):

wishful thinking: we spent those bear months with rallies on weekends and dumps during the week.

Therefore maybe the trend is reversing?

Yeah, keep dreaming Teppino  Grin



14. Post 6712281 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.44h):

Quote from: rpietila on May 13, 2014, 07:47:41 PM
If you truly are holding in the neighborhood of 10k coins, it seems prudent for you to utilize some of your stash towards the expansion of the BTC infrastructure. 

Purchasing the castle and initial investments ate about BTC3,000 of my stash so I am done for now. Next time I'll sell at $3k.

If you want to help me with ideas, how to integrate hotel and bitcoin as much as possible, I have a thread for it.

you could ask mmitech and mervynpumpkinhead to welcome your guests




15. Post 6741184 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.44h):

We are less than 10$ from breaking that long term logaritmic upper trendline



16. Post 6780466 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.45h):

meanwhile we're less than 2$ from breaking upper log trendline from november



17. Post 6836567 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.45h):

 Shocked wow i just can't stop looking at bitcoinwisdom



18. Post 6966373 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.47h):

i'm not quoting fonzie but he's actually right about bitfinex



19. Post 6970549 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.47h):

Quote from: dreamspark on May 27, 2014, 01:25:21 PM
i'm not quoting fonzie but he's actually right about bitfinex

But if some people lost a lot on margin calls,mother people gained just as much right? That's how the market works, someone gains, someone loses.

So the people who lent money to margin traders would have made a killing right? And they could potentially invest (part of) that money into bitcoin, right?

Or do I miss something?

I think you missed the bit where all Teppino was saying is that Fonzie is right in that Bitfinex was down at the time. Not to all his other perma-bear/ uber-troll posts.

I doubt many people would have lost a lot on margin calls as when the site went down trading stopped, its not like you couldn't close a position while the market still moved. So the market was in exactly the same position when it opened as when it closed so no calls happened at a time you couldn't have closed them.

Yep, i have fonzie on ignore myself but i sometimes peek on troll posts nevertheless Tongue

I'm far from achieving that zenlike emotional detach from market, therefore i can stand trolls only in bullish times



20. Post 6989187 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.47h):

Quote from: JorgeStofli on May 28, 2014, 10:02:12 AM

Wow, +10 in charisma to the real Jorge for the "Being troll-cloned" achievement  Wink



21. Post 7032663 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.48h):

Quote from: exocytosis on May 29, 2014, 04:37:32 PM
I'm selling my coins today. Will buy them back when we hit sub-400 prices in a couple of weeks or so.

hope you had stop losses in place!



22. Post 7036239 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.48h):

I think this rally is related to that new facebook wallet.
If that's the case, adoption is going to grow very fast, you'd better tighten the fastbelts and be prepared for some negative G of acceleration..



23. Post 7149192 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.51h):

next hop 720/730, soon  Wink


edit: on second tought i'd say 770



24. Post 7293966 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.52h):

The market reminds me when we were about to turn green on 3d macd. Stamp went green/red a few times, a crash on 25 april and after 2 weeks a rally.



25. Post 7533819 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.55h):

looks like i still don't get clearly how usd/btc swaps works.
i tought that you "borrow" USD when you think btc will go down and btc when you think market will go up. The same you'll do with your bitcoins if you wanted to gamble the market but with less risk and less profit.
Now i see that USD swaps are way more than BTC swaps, to me this mean bearish sentiment, so why do you guys expect a "long squeeze" if the market is set up for shorting?



26. Post 7604790 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.56h):

at last one of them must have bid at $666  Grin



27. Post 7627858 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.56h):

Quote from: hyphymikey on July 01, 2014, 09:59:15 PM
How could they let people know they lost already when the award process is ongoing? You have to pass the background check before the auction so that can't be it. I bet someone won all the blocks of coins at a high price, and if I am not mistaken, I read or heard they were selling them in chunks so no one entity could turn around and sell them. I think it was on the news clip that aired right before the auction. My guess is some bank bought them all and they are trying to revise the rules, to whose benefit I have no idea.

Just wanted to publicly pat myself on the back.

yup nice call indeed



28. Post 7804020 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.58h):

Quote from: mikeh2 on July 12, 2014, 11:38:26 AM
Well this is pretty cool..

http://beta.slashdot.org/submission/3694105

Finnish National Digital TV Broadcaster Starts Sending Bitcoin Blockchain

"Finnish national digital TV broadcaster Digita co-operates with startup company Koodilehto to start transmission of Bitcoin blockchain and transactions in Terrestrial Digital TV (DVB-T) signal that covers almost the entire Finnish population of 5 million people. The pilot broadcasting starts in September the 1st and lasts two months. The broadcast can be received by a computer with any DVB-T adapter like this $20 dongle. Commercial production phase is planned to begin later this year."


i also think this is incredible news. I wonder if there's something else related about to launch, something like "secure home bitcoin box" where you can keep your wallet offline from internet, synced with blockchain (thanks to dvb-t)  and able to securely broadcast your transaction via a pc related application.

very bullish  Grin



29. Post 7804506 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.58h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on July 12, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Well this is pretty cool..

http://beta.slashdot.org/submission/3694105

Finnish National Digital TV Broadcaster Starts Sending Bitcoin Blockchain

"Finnish national digital TV broadcaster Digita co-operates with startup company Koodilehto to start transmission of Bitcoin blockchain and transactions in Terrestrial Digital TV (DVB-T) signal that covers almost the entire Finnish population of 5 million people. The pilot broadcasting starts in September the 1st and lasts two months. The broadcast can be received by a computer with any DVB-T adapter like this $20 dongle. Commercial production phase is planned to begin later this year."


i also think this is incredible news. I wonder if there's something else related about to launch, something like "secure home bitcoin box" where you can keep your wallet offline from internet, synced with blockchain (thanks to dvb-t)  and able to securely broadcast your transaction via a pc related application.

very bullish  Grin

I'm sure all the sellers missed that memo.

i'm not a trader, guess they know better than me what to do. Still this looks to me like a glimpse of the future, a very clever solution to the security problem of keeping one private keys safe while mantaining ease of use. Can't help but admire such nice idea



30. Post 7855886 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.59h):

Quote from: empowering on July 15, 2014, 11:30:15 AM
and lift


looks very bullish to me, over 4000 by August!




31. Post 8001967 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.00h):

Quote from: bitgeek on July 24, 2014, 12:15:31 PM
Bitcoin is going down and nobody knows why. Normally there were always some news we could blame but this dump is just ridiculous. IMO people saw somebody dumping, have no idea why and are doing the same.

Bitlemmings  Grin



32. Post 8062507 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.01h):

btc swaps very high on bitfinex, looks like nothing changed



33. Post 8082472 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.01h):

Meanwhile discus fish, chinese mining pool, is (not so) slowly but steadily growing. Soon they will be n°1, i wonder how sensible they will be to 51% attack issues...

Flip your bitcoin and watch, good chances you'll read "made in china"  Cheesy



34. Post 8100083 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.01h):

+1 here going down with the ship, gentleman it's been a pleas.... ...



35. Post 8367079 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.05h):

We are going sideway under the critical price of 528 (bfx) that triggered yesterday margin calls. I was somehow expecting as an outcome a bigger crash in terms of volume and way less longs left open. Obviously bfx modulated the crash but i'm wondering if they can now sustain trading in this "artificial" range because it looks to me that just going sideway from now should trigger calls every day.



36. Post 8413134 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.06h):

Bitfinex altered the regular offer/demand equilibrium by tweaking the trading algorithm, it was granted that market, by means of someone more clever than them,  found a way to exploit it. They also declared they're constantly changing it, i guess out of fear, but it seems market is adapting faster than they could handle.
In another thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737507.msg8335904#msg8335904) i guessed that August could be the right month to perform a cheap(er) manipulation.
But a question now arise, who actually have:
- the statistical knowledge to determine the right moment to perform (which include near perfect market statiscal mapping and geolocalization of users and their trading habits)
- a valid reason to do it
- the economic power to perform

My guess is another exchange, or a cartel of them.




37. Post 8452764 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.07h):

Bye bye bottom, will keep hold those seashells as souvenir  Wink



38. Post 8496855 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.08h):

for a dump it did not drag many sellers with it..



39. Post 8503686 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.08h):

adam post (or pm) your address i'd like to buy you a beer



40. Post 8559228 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.08h):

Ok, time to go up!



41. Post 8569133 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.09h):

I've read that Jersey is a fiscal heaven, i'm wondering (no trolling) if fund like GABI can be used for somehow dumping bitcoins for tax free cash instead of buying like everyone seems to be expecting.



42. Post 8569177 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.09h):

Quote from: dannyspk on August 28, 2014, 12:20:04 PM
I've read that Jersey is a fiscal heaven, i'm wondering (no trolling) if fund like GABI can be used for somehow dumping bitcoins for tax free cash instead of buying like everyone seems to be expecting.



Who's gonna buy when someone is gonna dump?

i can only guess: you buy cheap off exchange, say china, then you sell there.

edit: on second tought i see your point...still looks to me it could be a price race to the downside



43. Post 8610751 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.09h):

Meanwhile the hashrate..



44. Post 8612758 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.09h):

bitcoin stahp



45. Post 8619959 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.09h):

Are we sure them at GABI weren't talking about 200M Satoshis?



46. Post 8621426 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.09h):

seems to me there might be a correlation between the steady rise of discus fish (chinese mining farm) and the bitcoin price.
Hashrate and difficulty also took an unusual acceleration, but that could be just an illusion of logaritmic rappresentation



47. Post 8622287 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.09h):

 Grin
fallling will you pm me when (and if) you turn bullish?



48. Post 8635359 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.10h):

maybe it's fishing for another round of margin calls, if i were to trade this i'll put my orders on high 300's @btce

but i'm just painfully holding  Tongue



49. Post 8636202 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.10h):

Fear not, Openbazaar is alive and kicking.
As i strongly believe price is correlated to number of transactions (which is different from plain adoption/number of wallets) i think in the near future (months) we will be able to see metcalfe's law applied to bitcoin in his newly born habitat.

Actually bitcoins are mostly held or traded intra exchange, neither of those is good for the health of the network, it's like a brain without neurotransmitters--->no thoughts-->mostly useless and easily manipulated.

Let it grow, it will kick ass  Wink



50. Post 8637168 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.10h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 02, 2014, 10:53:47 AM
Fear not, Openbazaar is alive and kicking.
As i strongly believe price is correlated to number of transactions (which is different from plain adoption/number of wallets) i think in the near future (months) we will be able to see metcalfe's law applied to bitcoin in his newly born habitat.

Actually bitcoins are mostly held or traded intra exchange, neither of those is good for the health of the network, it's like a brain without neurotransmitters--->no thoughts-->mostly useless and easily manipulated.

More than 90% of the transaction volume (transaction count and total BTC output) on the blockchain is "fake" -- that is, between addresses with the same owner. 

Prove that this statement is wrong.

(Evidence that it is correct: the way it has changed with time for the past year.)



Hi Jorge Smiley Maybe i'm not skilled enough in statistical analysys of blockchain to achieve such a proof (assuming i believe it's somehow important), but looking at your evidence i'd argue that neither you are.
Also, what is the point in wasting fees by transacting over wallets with the same owner? Unless you prove metcalfe's law wrong the only achievement of such waste is to keep the price (value) of bitcoin high, so i take it you mean it's a speculative manipulation.
Even so, with a true wallet-to-many scenario (OpenBazaar) the percentage you are proposing here are doomed to shift.



51. Post 8638168 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.10h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 02, 2014, 12:04:36 PM
Also, what is the point in wasting fees by transacting over wallets with the same owner? Unless you prove metcalfe's law wrong the only achievement of such waste is to keep the price (value) of bitcoin high, so i take it you mean it's a speculative manipulation.
Even so, with a true wallet-to-many scenario (OpenBazaar) the percentage you are proposing here are doomed to shift.

Two obvious reasons why someone would want to move bitcoins between wallets of his own are (1) tumbling and (2) hotwallet/coldwallet management.  Someone may also be (3) torture-testing wallet software.  (All the blockchain traffic could easily be created by a single person with a modest BTC capital.)

Last time I checked, very few transactions included fees.  Right now the mining network is financed by "printing" new bitcoins, to the tune of 10% of the existing bitcoins per year.  (That is, 10% yearly inflation, in the strict sense of the term...)  Since address creation and transactions are free, there is nothing to discourage fake blockchain traffic.

Fake traffic may include also (4) intentional attempt to inflate the transaction volume.  Right now, if the cost of the mining network were to be paid by fees rather than "inflation tax", the fee would have to be nearly 4% of the total transaction amount.  But if fees were charged then the "fake" volume would all but disappear.  If only 50% of the transactions are real e-payments, then the cost of processing one transaction would be 8% of its amount; if only 10% is real, the cost would be 40%.  Thus someone may be inflating the volume to hide this unpleasant fact.

Some blockchain traffic is also (5) people depositing and withdrawing BTC from exchanges and other services with individual accounts.  Although that traffic is not "fake" by my defintion, it is still sort of fake because the BTC on the exchange still belong to the client, logically. 

(Bitcoins changing accounts inside the exchanged do not generate blockchain traffic, but they are not real e-payments either, since there is no counterpart transfer of goods or services -- merely a swap of one currency for another.)

Metcalfe's law seems to hold when the quantities are plotted in logscale over the last 5 years.  However, the last year is compressed to a tiny area at the top right corner of that plot.  At that scale, a deviation of 90% would hardly be noticed, since it would span less than 20% of the vertical scale.  If the data is plotted only over the last year, the fit is not that good.  And, anyway, if the traffic had been 90% "fake" over the last 5 years, Metcalfe's law would hold just as well.

I disagree on so many points that the implications of debating every single one of them really discourages me. Sorry Jorge i feel that's not a good behaviour from me to pull back like that and i apologize for that



52. Post 8727525 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.11h):

https://blockchain.info/en/charts/bitcoin-days-destroyed?timespan=30days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

Bitcoins days destroyed = 0  is that a glitch?



53. Post 8727699 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.11h):

Can't do better than wiki: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Days_Destroyed

In my understanding a value of zero would mean that all the volume you see is being made from the same wallets trading by themselves, which also happens to be JorgeStolfi theory  Undecided.
In my opinion it is a glitch.



54. Post 8729506 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.11h):

Quote from: escalicha on September 08, 2014, 03:02:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7HxLCFMeY


BITCOIN ON PAYPAL!

Wtf creepy video, reminds me of those movies with aliens communications switching auto radio channels



55. Post 8731214 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.11h):

Go jack nicholson, axe that wall!
Give a chop to that old itshappening gif too



56. Post 8747931 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.11h):

Come on whales, show some balls and pump the price while the apple live is on... make the man sweat  Grin



57. Post 8759751 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.11h):

Quick! Close the doors, don't let that fallling guy run away



58. Post 8772870 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.12h):

Looks to me like a new generation of miners (pooled) in mid August entered the market and begun selling at loss to cut others out.
It's early to tell, but hashrate seems to be going down, altough it has been always volatile itself. So far seems like someone is giving up.
Where i live big shopping centers did the same: they came, choked little business and only then prices came back to normal if not higher.



59. Post 8790295 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.12h):

I have a question i hope someone with more insight of market could answer:
Let's say you have a large sum of stolen bitcoins, i mean really a lot of them.
A lot of people, motivated and skilled in blockchain analysis is rightfully after you.
What can you do? You can't trust mixers or any other gambling sites, because the magnitude of the operation will either take too long or expose you.
In my opinion the only thing you can do is transfer them anonimously in a exchange, sell them and buyback with a legit account(s).
For this to work you must choose an exchange with good volume and also without hidden orders books, for those would let you know beforehand the entity of the inevitable loss you are going to take in the operation.

Could this be? don't throw tomatoes please  Grin



60. Post 8790566 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.12h):

Quote from: nutschig on September 12, 2014, 01:07:56 PM
I have a question i hope someone with more insight of market could answer:
Let's say you have a large sum of stolen bitcoins, i mean really a lot of them.
A lot of people, motivated and skilled in blockchain analysis is rightfully after you.
What can you do? You can't trust mixers or any other gambling sites, because the magnitude of the operation will either take too long or expose you.
In my opinion the only thing you can do is transfer them anonimously in a exchange, sell them and buyback with a legit account(s).
For this to work you must choose an exchange with good volume and also without hidden orders books, for those would let you know beforehand the entity of the inevitable loss you are going to take in the operation.

Could this be? don't throw tomatoes please  Grin

To enter an exchange, Know Your Customer regulations mean identification may be necessary. Crypto to crypto is best.

I don't know, i knew that KYC rules were enforced only to fiat transactions (deposit/withdrawals), i'm sure it's like that in at last one major exchange.
Also i don't think crypto to crypto is suitable because 1) a lot of coins are worthless, therefore you'd end losing more than you already lose by dumping and buying back 2) the few that may have a future don't have enough liquidity to sustain such transfer of wealth.



61. Post 8794630 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.12h):

Quote from: WoopDeBoop on September 12, 2014, 05:54:19 PM
I have a question i hope someone with more insight of market could answer:
Let's say you have a large sum of stolen bitcoins, i mean really a lot of them.
A lot of people, motivated and skilled in blockchain analysis is rightfully after you.
What can you do? You can't trust mixers or any other gambling sites, because the magnitude of the operation will either take too long or expose you.
In my opinion the only thing you can do is transfer them anonimously in a exchange, sell them and buyback with a legit account(s).
For this to work you must choose an exchange with good volume and also without hidden orders books, for those would let you know beforehand the entity of the inevitable loss you are going to take in the operation.

Could this be? don't throw tomatoes please  Grin

There is no "take too long" if you're selling millions in stolen btc.....plus sites like FakeIDKing.com sell scans that pass verification all the time - I've used them for bitstamp before with no issues.


It's really not hard

Dude, why did you do that and why are you talking about it in the forum??  Huh Huh
Also, in this hypothesis, time matters because after one or two bubble dumping 2000 bitcoins, a normal dump in this days, could theoretically crash an entire exchange orderbook. To be more clear: the higher the price the harder it would be for them to dump and buyback (for fiat or "clean" btc) the same number of coins.



62. Post 8801119 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.12h):

https://blockchain.info/en/charts/hash-rate

Hashrate -100k ghs?

Another Glitch?



63. Post 8801786 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.12h):

Quote from: klee on September 13, 2014, 09:15:18 AM
http://www.bfxdata.com/swaphistory/totals.php

seems like a huge short or amount of shorts closed

^^ This. Looks like that big buy was no whale accumulator, but a/many shorter(s) closing their positions for low slippage.
Potentailly bearish in reality as 11k was waaay too high for the market to make any significant move down.
Now at 5.5k, there are not enough shorts to squeeze IMO.

What does this mean? I am not very familiar with the technical terms...

That big wall on BFX allowed the majority of the 5k shorts to be closed without moving the price significantly.
Low slippage = executing an order without significantly moving the market  - if the wall had not been there, executing a market buy to close those shorts would have wiped out the order book and pushed the price way higher = high slippage
Hence why they were potentially a sitting duck for a short squeeze. Now that they are gone ...
On the other hand it is bullish that they closed them, right?

Even if we won't have such a sudden spike in price.

I'm afraid those shorts were a warranty against the price going down. Shorts are btc sold for usd with the hope of buying back when price goes down, so (i could be wrong as i lack experience there) in my understanding shorts = potential buy pressure on a downtrend.
Now that market went clear of those, with low slippage also, it could very well go down to squeeze longs without that added buy pressure.



64. Post 8802657 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.12h):

Quote from: kurb3l on September 13, 2014, 10:33:00 AM
http://www.bfxdata.com/swaphistory/totals.php

seems like a huge short or amount of shorts closed

^^ This. Looks like that big buy was no whale accumulator, but a/many shorter(s) closing their positions for low slippage.
Potentailly bearish in reality as 11k was waaay too high for the market to make any significant move down.
Now at 5.5k, there are not enough shorts to squeeze IMO.

What does this mean? I am not very familiar with the technical terms...

That big wall on BFX allowed the majority of the 5k shorts to be closed without moving the price significantly.
Low slippage = executing an order without significantly moving the market  - if the wall had not been there, executing a market buy to close those shorts would have wiped out the order book and pushed the price way higher = high slippage
Hence why they were potentially a sitting duck for a short squeeze. Now that they are gone ...
On the other hand it is bullish that they closed them, right?

Even if we won't have such a sudden spike in price.

I'm afraid those shorts were a warranty against the price going down. Shorts are btc sold for usd with the hope of buying back when price goes down, so (i could be wrong as i lack experience there) in my understanding shorts = potential buy pressure on a downtrend.
Now that market went clear of those, with low slippage also, it could very well go down to squeeze longs without that added buy pressure.
Weren't these shorts a speculation of a falling price? So with them closing, they actually buy new BTC and you never buy before a price you personally see as bottom i'd think.
I'd treat this as bullish

I really don't know, in my opinion those BTC were already sold when opening the short and now are being bought back at a loss, out of margin calls or fear. It's probably a zero sum game. Still now we have less downward resistance than before. What will come out of this situation i don't know becouse honestly i don't understand this market at all, i only hold.



65. Post 8832879 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.12h):

dear mr manipulator:

1) fuck you
2) i won't sell no matter what
3) i will sleep very well even with btc @1$



66. Post 8833353 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.12h):

Quote from: Adrian-x on September 15, 2014, 06:48:38 PM
dear mr manipulator:

1) fuck you
2) i won't sell no matter what
3) i will sleep very well even with btc @1$

When I see big dumping this is what I think http://www.arunjain.com/jokes/Shit_-_A_Bird_Story.htm
You'll have to hold tight Bitcoin won't go to a dollar but your faith will be tested.

In my view the manipulator on average are pushing the price up not down. Well that all changes with the coming ETF, as there will be new classes of manipulators, you won't know when you're falling or being dumped on.


I've read that link, i agree about the moral.
That was just a vent, let's just consider point 2 & 3 and forget about 1 Smiley



67. Post 8841983 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.13h):

Sir, your daily useless graph:




68. Post 8859581 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.13h):

is bitcoinwisdom under ddos?



69. Post 8859754 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.13h):

Maybe i'm obsessed with ddos, but it seems like stamp trading slowed a lot



70. Post 8874843 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.13h):

this is a bubble for shorters   Undecided

or it's just the dip before the moon

or idk



71. Post 8878777 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.14h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on September 18, 2014, 06:50:40 PM
$5559.84 bitcoins


thanks this cracked me



72. Post 8879795 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.14h):

Alex Salmond said bitcoin could be Scotland new currency. I'm wondering if this btc hammering is meant to discourage the divorce from sterling just in case "Yes" wins. Just a random tought, but must say timing is perfect



73. Post 8879852 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.14h):

Quote from: grappa_barricata on September 18, 2014, 08:24:54 PM
Alex Salmond said bitcoin could be Scotland new currency. I'm wondering if this btc hammering is meant to discourage the divorce from sterling just in case "Yes" wins. Just a random tought, but must say timing is perfect

Nah, they will create a new fiat currency.

Seems impossible to me also, must be a coincidence



74. Post 8944330 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.15h):

Longs should soon become sell pressure when people takes profit along the way.
Still news is big this time, i think  we will go up



75. Post 8959634 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.15h):

looks to me the hammering stopped the same day of alibaba ipo, far less sell pressure so far



76. Post 9028230 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.17h):

I've been told that for a US citizen it  make some difference buying tomorrow instead of today, because of fiscal year. Is this true?



77. Post 9067709 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.18h):

i'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable holding  Embarrassed



78. Post 9068977 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.18h):

Quote from: magicmexican on October 03, 2014, 05:07:29 PM
Huge pumps? Time to buy? All i see is green @1min graph

Take a screenshot  Grin



79. Post 9094867 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.20h):

Meanwhile the dwarves keep up the hard work

https://blockchain.info/en/charts/hash-rate



80. Post 9095173 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.20h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on October 05, 2014, 08:22:45 PM
Beware: that chart is buggy, the last data point is often garbage.  And there is no one at blockchain.info to fix it, apparently.

True, it happened already, but glitched always to the downside and in a much dramatic way. This one seems plausible (still scary)



81. Post 9095225 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.20h):

Quote from: fonzie on October 05, 2014, 08:28:34 PM
Beware: that chart is buggy, the last data point is often garbage.  And there is no one at blockchain.info to fix it, apparently.
You should apply for the job. Hasnīt Walsoraj once said that you are about to become the chairman of the Bitcoin Foundation.  Wink Cheesy Cheesy


i think Jorge already sits in a much more respectable chair ...



82. Post 9095491 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.20h):

 Longs and shorts are equally going down, i guess the cost of opening them is becoming cheaper too.
If this manipulator trusts stamp enough to let that many coins maybe he left there also the fiat from the constant dumping since August.
With most of leveraging out of the way he can now trust in the success of a strong self made upward impulse with the fiat he have on stamp. This would be a smart move by itself, but he could also exploit the low interest rate for going long on leverage.

could work?




83. Post 9126909 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.21h):

ALL ABOARD THE TRAIN! IT'S HAPP




84. Post 9221739 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.24h):

So tired of this bearmarket, i'd wish it crash already to single digit, everybody's poor we will start a fire on the beach and Jorge (who did the '68  Tongue ) will bring his guitar and we will all sing poor but happy.

I won't go full fiat but will slowly exit my position. Therefore expect price to don't give a fuck  Grin



85. Post 9518318 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.30h):

Adam would have already made me crack at least twice on this run.... please man come back



86. Post 11535258 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 04, 2015, 03:48:05 PM
the more bitcoin you own today the more bitcoin you will own on both Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin XT

put that in your pipe and smoke it

Unless you keep them in a exchange wallet. Maybe a fork could create scarcity with everybody withdrawning?



87. Post 12455536 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 18, 2015, 04:17:15 AM
I happened to notice a single 12'000 BTC trade on OKCoin.  And the price dropped by 0.10 yuan.  Weird.

Happened again, up to 30k in volume with no high frequency trading involved. weird indeed.

I wonder why people love to discuss over fantasy charts and yet those kind of happenings go by almost unnoticed


 



88. Post 12942066 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: MatTheCat on November 10, 2015, 09:53:43 PM
Come on shorters, we need more of you!

! single shorter, devoured the majority of that 2K wall on Finex, providing it was all real, and with Finex, I wouldn't take nothing as a given...but...

.....can someone with the clout to short 2K BTC, really be THAT wrong?

If $330 was the bottom, then he can't possibly cash out, without taking a severe tanking?

Is someone with enough financial clout to devour a 2K Ask Wall with a short Sell order, really fucking stupid enough to place a Massive Short right at the bottom of the market, or does he *know* that he will exit his position at much lower prices?

look, a troll quoting another troll... that's the trollchain isn't it?



89. Post 13644688 (copy this link) (by Teppino) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: pianomasta on January 22, 2016, 08:21:13 PM
the price is dropping hard once again i think that it means that after some time it will reach huge heights

Great logic!