Why do you believe it's clear that Core will never agree to any increase?

It looks like this forum is dead. Reddit is also dead. Where did everyone go?

Gemini will have pretty though KYC into place

and jorge u fucking helmet, the xt/core tension took us down from the 300ish we were at during the greek hype.

stop being wrong

I enjoyed your take on the "religious schism" between Core and XT playing out in fast motion...the inquisition...the banishing of the heretics...etc etc.  What I would love to see--although it would be difficult and perhaps infeasible at this point in time--is a scholarly article addressing the politics of Bitcoin governance.  How do we come to consensus?  What does "consensus" really mean in the context of Bitcoin?

Bitcoin's net-worth overall will increase regardless of transaction volume simply because it has the 1st mover, digital reserve currency advantages and status.  It doesn't need, nor should we seek, a monopoly on digital currency, because a Nash distribution is of more economic utility than top-heavy ones.  Bitcoin has a natural monopoly on high-value wealth preservation and transfers, not retail point-of-sale, paywalls, or tipping.

The hubristic Bitcoin2 project seeks to sacrifice current use cases and users for the hope of gaining future uses and users.

That is trading a bird in hand for two in the bush, and fixing what is not broken.  Two famously bad ideas.

Relying of the desirability of future pruning/compression mechanisms still in the vapor stage to fix 20MB blocks' undesirable effects is also a bad idea.

This logic of "we have to break the network to save the network" is appalling.  We need to get this right, not rush and act in haste.

First, we must wait and see how the infrastructure and ecosystem react/adapt to scarcity.   Without this crucial empirical data, we cannot make informed future decisions about ideal block sizing.  We cannot risk a civil war between BTC1 and BTC2 camps by forcing the issue prematurely (but if I were actually anti-BTC and pro-alt, I'd relish such a Great Schism).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10400700#msg10400700

You linked to a message of yours from 2015-08-15, but there was no big drop on that date.  There was just another small drop like there had been almost every day since the $296 peak on 2015-07-28.

The big drop was on 2015-08-18, and -- again -- it only brought the price to ~$230, where it was before the "Greek crisis" bubble.  The most obvious and convincing explanation is that, with the resolution of the Greek crisis, people finally realized that the Greek would NOT be buying billions of bitcoins. 

Of course the Blockstream bootlickers blamed that drop on the XT schism.  Since the schism had been developing for months, that was easy -- pick any random event in that story, and blame the drop on that event.

By the way, all this fuss abut the blocksize limit was ENTIRELY the fault of Blockstream and their idiotic plans for the "fee market".  If they had any sense, they would have implemented the raise in 2014 to be activated in 2016, with a two-line patch, as Satoshi proposed; and reminded everybody, a month before the activation, that very old versions of the software would stop working, so people had better upgrade or add the same patch to their software.  Then the hard fork would be a non-event and NOTHING bad would happen from it.

http://bitco.in/forum for those who haven't left already

For the first time I have a feeling that Bitcoin is veering off the tracks. 

this ugly power-grab and the way it's being done that just takes a piss on the ideals Bitcoin itself was built upon. Like freedom of speech and censorship-resistance. And the sad thing is: it seems to work. 

I just don't know what to do, really. I feel quite helpless. 

The 2 biggest discussion/meeting places (/r/bitcoin and bitcointalk) had been censored heavily and yet it's impossible to migrate everyone away (where to?). It's just not going to happen. I think it's quite tragic. 

Setting up another place just doesn't work well at all. 

It has been tried many many times and sure: you can move your 5-10%, but you're not going to move the reluctant 90%. Then what have you achieved? Nothing, possiby the opposite of what you've been trying to achieve even.   

So what do I do now? I still frequent bitcointalk and /r/bitcoin and I'm subconsciously avoiding discussion of the controversial issues. It's really amazing how one gets downvoted for objecting to Todd, for example. Not long ago people on reddit seemed to be like 80% pro increasing the block size. Now it seems everyone is against even talking about it.   

Man I go away for a few hours and come back and there is a meltdown... 

it's the chicken game of Bitcoin.

From the RAND corporation virtual currency report:

"The report suggests that the U.S. Department of Defense should disrupt decentralized digital currencies to prevent “unprecedented global access to information and communication services that, at its core, is agnostic to the national security interests of the United States.”

Therefore, the RAND report suggests pre-emptive strikes and notes that “perhaps the best strategy for the United States and its allies to thwart a VC deployment would be to target those properties of a VC that would most increase its acceptance, most notably transaction anonymity, security, and availability.”

Link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/40lwsq/the_rand_corporation_report_national_security/

Speaking of chicken, what happened to your National Front logo?

Yes, thanks for removing it! We get enough of this nazi show during the elections, no need to impose it on a daily basis 

“I see her in restaurants around parliament and she’s surrounded by a team of young advisors who treat her as if she’s a kind of Joan of Arc figure, the chosen one.” He said there was a fascination with Maréchal-Le Pen as if she was a “guru or a mystic”.

Like her bolder aunt Marine, the timid Maréchal-Le Pen complained that she suffered greatly from taunts at school that her grandad was a “fascist”. To shield her, she was moved to a hardline Catholic convent school to be given time to toughen up and later dropped the Le Pen from her name. But she joined the party aged 17 and had proudly restored her full name when, aged 22, and still a law student, she became the youngest MP since the French revolution, on a ticket against immigration and insecurity in the south.

And you're saying Marechal Le Pen is like a “guru or a mystic”? Waouh! I really want to vote for her now, let's all vote for the great guru Marechal!  

I see no difference between those people and the godwin point or Donald Trump for example, they're quite similar in fact.

Who says it has to even be private? All they have to do is clone bitcoin and premine the shit out of it, market it as the drug and terrorism-free version (loss of anonymity is a feature, not a bug), and prop up the price for a few months.  If they hire K Street lobbyists to encourage USG to treat their coin a little more charitably and our coin with a little more hostility, it's off to the races.

We'll still be squabbling over SegWit and 4MB when their nodes are the size of Google data centers processing millions of transactions an hour. They'll be like a hot IPO and we'll be de-listed and relegated to the penny stock pink sheets. And we'll deserve it.

bitcoin serves as a fungible currency

Last we heard of the guy he was flying out to China isn't it?

These 13,000 coins will find their way diluted into the market in due time.

Mike Hearn's exit mic drop

I find it tough to dispute his arguments. It's getting close to fork or die time...

I am quite sure the price has not finished going down a little bit. BTC deserves a good haircut for bad management and not acting quick enough. I can only hope (for the bagholders) that when the price does get cut bij 30% or more, some people get the wake up call.

My personal opinion is that this is not going to happen any time soon. The discussion on this particular forum should not be taken as an indicator for that, I know, but I do sense that there are just to many bagholders with wrong motives in this scene.

The most obvious explanation is Mike's ragequit, which got wide exposure in the media (NYT, Motherboard, TechCrunch, Reuters, ...)  It was also commented in Chinese forums. 

I can't think of any other suiltable explanation for the sudden drop.

ppl who lie and know they've done something wrong tend to hide.  who's hiding now?  Maxwell?  well shit.

  I am currently serving a 30 day ban on /r/bitcoin   

  Blockstream is not interested in discussing anything with anyone, and openly censors people who do not back them 100%. 

Actually I expect that in such a scenario most exchanges will not have dual trading but will rather use an event like that as an opportunity to confiscate BTCs as their own and replace them with BTCCs. Especially if they have political reasons of siding with BTCC. So you either find a reliable dual exchange that has both BTC and BTCC (which may be hard to find or even DDOSed), or you move with alts as a vehicle of +1 step.

Let's hope we never find out.

every day without an inch of movement from Blockstream, increases the possibility. The fact that they start bringing up PoW changes when backed into a corner gives even more weight to the idea that they would rather go to war than compromise to 2MB.

I still have doubts regarding sidechains security:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3vg06a/official_release_rootstock_white_paper/cxnfe6n

As for the segwit thing, I am still quite opposed to the excision of cryptographic signatures from the holy ledger (also implying the introduction of 3rd trusted parties)..

WHat you think?

Eh, to me they are introducing further points of failure and security breach (centralization, 3rd parties, etc...) whilst over-complexifying Bitcoin's code.

I'd rather have efficient (transparent?) off chain solutions to scaling as it will necessarily lead to centralization.

I just don't like my money being forked to please the social media and their mass adoption coffee cups urges.


"Wouldn't it be extremely inefficient to copy every single coffee purchase on everyone's computer?"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42tcqm/eli5_wouldnt_it_be_extremely_inefficient_to_copy/

Classic is coming, like it or not.

It appears the entire black market / shady soviets are moving to altcoins till post-bitcoin classic armageddon is resolved with a single chain.

yup, dow is bouncing.


ps: thx for the inputs above, red the segwit faq since it came out, yet still not convinced, i'd rather have my money secured by lean code.

Is the war is over NOW?

https://github.com/gavinandresen/bips/blob/92e1efd0493c1cbde47304c9711f13f413cc9099/bip-bump2mb.mediawiki

Meanwhile at the PwC/Blockstream meeting:

[img]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/lotr/images/5/5b/Fingolfin_vs_Morgoth_05.jpg

"So, we can funnel all the traffic through PwC-servers with something called The Lightning Network?"

Along with satoshi saying bitcoin is not suitable for micropayments perhaps

worst trolls on side of big blockers ... easy to see who's losing and attracts the agent provocateurs to keep the division raging, sadly they are welcomed into their ranks by the pretenders. Trolfi and notlambchop now honorary members of fraud cypherdoc's goon squad.

Who are they enlisting next to the Free Shit Army ... the Buttcoiner Brigade?

War. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
Nations destroyed. Lives ruined. Shoes lost.

Innovation is not burning a gigawatt of mining power to process less than 4 transactions per second.  Especially when we could increase that capacity by a factor of eight with almost no additional costs.

In economics, sometimes it's helpful to try and calculate the true cost of something by factoring out the subsidies. In this case the subsidy is the block reward and the cost is paid by investors/speculators.

if users actually paid the full cost of their transaction now, it would be several dollars each. That's a horribly inefficient system and not one worth investing in, IMHO.  The fact that it could potentially be much more efficient if some minor changes were made is irrelevant if there is no process for making those changes.

The governance model needs to change, so until Bitcoin Classic or something like it achieves a clear majority of support by nodes and miners, we have to assume the rough consensus mechanism of a small minority having effective veto power is going to continue, which means nothing is going to get done. Blocks will fill up. Fees will increase. There's really only two outcomes without a higher or removed max block size: stagnation or network congestion failure.  

Don't tell me what I need. It's that kind of arrogance that is going to make Bitcoin an asterisk in the history of cryptocurrencies. Businesses that dictate to their customers what they should want are gonna have a bad time.

'Don't touch Bitcoin because it's too volatile', all the Wall St types said 

Fired up a new node with Bitcoin Classic.

[blah blah blah]

Using the 1MB limit to prevent centralization is like mangling your daughter's face to prevent her from being raped. It's an extremely high price to pay and it doesn't even work that well.

... let the DDOSing begin now that techignorati who use binaries because they can't build from source are wandering stupidly into the badlands. tally-ho

And that pretty much sums up your scumbag attitude. I bet you have giftcards for sale too, paid for by stolen credit cards. You are a real asset to the core-devs, a like minded fellow traveler.

All that brazen supercilious venom spewed over the last year with potentially nothing to show for haha.

Actually, those classic nodes are more like fungus spreading on the corpses of XT/unlimited nodes. 

Segwit is accounting fraud. It actually has higher bandwidth demand than a simple blocksize bump of equal effect.

Heh, you cant hold the argument, so its dDos...

Christ....I remember when this thread was about walls, trading, speculation and general 'doom' or 'moon'...now its just page after page of people talking incomprehensible blockchain bollox and petty politics.

There has always been some sort of crisis threatening the very existence of BTC, get used to it.

So, all the bed-wetters getting worked up about this: you do realise there are entire sections of this site devoted to these topics.  Perhaps you could all fuck off to those pages and stop boring everyone me to tears with your endless segwit, hardfork fuckwittery.

Unfortunately classic is not quite dead yet.

When it is and the threat of chaotic, contentious and unnecessary (segwit is superior) hard fork is over, we can all look forward to a massive price increase (like move from 230->450 after xt collapse) and bitcoin moving forward.

These bombing runs from Gavin and coinbase are getting tiring.

I doubt they will be able to centralise bitcoin development under their control.

Classic is just Core with at 2mb block size limit and a governance coup that will alienate our best devs.

Frankly I don't understand why it would need many coders or time to change a line of code from 1mb to 2mb. I can do it quickly, just give me an hour, grep and vi.

I don't want to support a hard fork that does anything but the block size change. Throwing in last minute changes along with it is similar to politicians throwing in their shitty little laws here and there with major laws that everyone supports.

TL;DR: Classic takes an existing kludge (1MB limit) and changes it to 2MB. No complexity added.
Core keeps the existing kludge (1MB limit), and *adds another, horrendously convoluted kludge, just to keep the *other* kludge*.
In technical circles, this sort of thing is called "fucking retarded," "a patch on a patch."

There are indeed more changes to Classic than you are implying... There necessarily has to be because simply changing maxBlockSize from 1,000,000 bytes to 2,000,000 bytes would be dangerously irresponsible and introduce new attack vectors.

Here is a list of the changes done -

https://github.com/gavinandresen/bips/blob/92e1efd0493c1cbde47304c9711f13f413cc9099/bip-bump2mb.mediawiki

What I find most deplorable about these changes is the 75% threshold and extremely small 28 day window which goes against the miners wishes of 90% . Even Bitmain's CEO believes this is too small. Softforks require 95% mining consensus for goodness sake and they want to push through a contentious hardfork at 75%.... This is essentially a political coup.

What's to stop the Classic team from implementing segwit? AFAIK the coding is mostly complete, and publicly available.

The other side thinks SegWit is a gross kludge of code. If they just copy it, what was the point of all this? What was the point?!?

people not upgrading would not want their coin transvestites by whatever some random dev manages to push down the Protocol's throat.

You're an idiot.

I've got proof: http://gavinandresen.ninja/segregated-witness-is-cool

monero pump is getting serious...

+47% in 24h
+183% in 72h

and keep pushing. Finally it´s working

Bitcoin now has a rather nice flag formation after the rise from 200-500 with little media fanfare. The alt's are waking up and the halving is approaching. The only thing keeping bitcoin back is the blocksize debate which will soon resolve either by a HF with majority of miner support, or with Core acquiescing to the demands of the market and miners (3 weeks!) and fixing a 2mb blocksize HF in the roadmap.

It isn't hard to see a perfect storm for bitcoin during times of further turbulence in the major markets, where negative rates are being introduced in Western economies as central bankers start to lose control. Previously there has been a hunt for return and yield with QE and cheap money post 2008 being used by banks to bid up stock markets and levitate asset prices. ZIRP has turned everyone into a speculator with cash offering negative returns and the markets looking crash prone now bitcoin may start to look mighty attractive as an asset class in the coming months with it's unique monetary properties.

First Classic block mined.

P2XTPoolP2 XT Pool - Bitcoin Mining Pool

Oh. Oh my.

Is Blockstream working on one of those Turing complete scripting languages for smart contracts as a sidechain at all? Are they in competition with Ethereum?

He's trying to make Bitcoin inflationary. He's a socialist. He's an enemy of Bitcoin.

GavinCoin is a fork of Bitcoin that increases the block size or the coin supply.

In September 2015, he was going around asserting that Mike Hearn would be the benevolent dictator of XT (assuming XT would be hardforked into becoming the "new" bitcoin).  I mean, jesus fucking christ, a guy has to lose some credibility in the community by the subsequent rage quit of someone who just a few months earlier would have had the potential of becoming the "benevolent dictator" of the "new" bitcoin.

Anyhow, Gavin comes off as a bit bitter about bitcoin consensus and bitcoin governance and seems to strongly suggest that bitcoin's governance has to be fixed, but then is a bit dodgy about that being the problem and continuing to insist that a technical fix is an emergency, while at the same time taking digs at the "broken" nature of bitcoin's governance .

In any event, his various assumptions and presentations of issues are losing their coherence and interferes with his objectivity and credibility as a trustworthy speaker.

I have a dream where a bitcoin is worth $400,000 each three halvings from now so the blockreward is over a million bucks and miners still won't care about fees.  

If BTC value doubles more frequently than the blockreward halves, fees will never be needed to sustain miners. Of course BTC can't grow exponentially in purchasing power forever, but it can in nominal terms if the U.S. Dollar ever hyperinflates.

   Pervert it all you'd like iCE, it won't be Bitcoin when you're done with it.   

Core Power Rangers have been given an ultimatum

It's not about votes granted by breathing... it's about votes granted by quadrillions of hashes...  

"simply" he says.

Looks like Classic wasn't quite off the table after all.

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/700981834562162688

"If core provide the specific date to deliver HF, and keep the promise"

“A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch”

http://www.strateman.ninja/roundtable-tech.pdf

 

Blockstream is never to be underestimated. They literally didn't move an inch and everyone is circle jerking "the great compromise"... incredible. What a wet noodle the miners turned out to be... so much for that childish delusion I used to hold.

Watching fatty lose his principles for a $20 $19 relief rally was the hardest part. 

GG guys... GG

I've partially accepted the fact that "big blockers" have lost this round and have been trying to figure out if there's any future for Bitcoin after the miners decided to go with Core. I was very encouraged by two things today:

1. Core will commit to a HF of at least 2MB and have the code ready for July. Even if the trigger is Feb 1 2017 it would mean that a lot of the uncertainty surrounding Bitcoins viability would be gone. 2MB with Segwit would allow Bitcoin to grow on the main chain. Not much, but maybe enough for it not to experience an economic collapse.

2. Miners were explicitly threatening to ditch Core if they didn't give them a bump in the block size limit within a given time frame. That is powerful. What little I've understood from this debate is that parts of core are manipulators and lying bastards and can't be trusted, so it would be nice if someone held a gun against their heads.

However, If the miners accept the wording quoted above then this agreement is a total loss. We've seen the phrase "maximum effective block size" before. It takes into account the theoretical increase from segwit and all the other witchcraft they've been talking about lately. Bitusher even started including LN blocks into the calculations in an earlier discussion in this thread. We might end up with less than 1MB maxBlockSize on the main chain by the looks of it.

You'll always be a loser in my eyes.

I like your new signature quotes, but I miss the old avatar... I guess this is a zero-sum game after all?

We all lose, you fucking dimwit.

please, core devs, move over and make some room besides you, we don't want much, we just want to be sure we can have a hardfork, even against you, if we really want to. Also a little more room on the blockchain to welcome more users until there are "real" scaling solutions would be nice)

strongly recommend moving your BTC out of coinbase
do not trust these spot light loving restarts, and show them your disuse for actively trying to stop what little progress we FINALLY have made, by leaving them.
if you leave coins on coinbase, you are supporting, another year of bitching and nothing getting done while bitcoin bleeds.

welcome to month 11 of "lets have a consensus" #GimpedCoin

Nay!
Blogchain knoweth of Adam and his doings; the Blogchain revengeth! Blogchain is jealous and dost judge and punish him!
For it is written, Thou shalt not tempt the Blogchain thy Blogchain.

idk the guy, he's chinese i assumed he was a big blocker.

peter todd shouldn't be allowed to have friends.

What a douche.

Imagining iCEBREAKER, kicking back after a long day of R3KTing gavinista lolcows... finds relaxation in crappy sitcoms, now that's funny. 

The Bitcoin Classic team

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/47luh3/f2pool_is_under_ddos_attack/

of course they are.

I'm sure Wang Chun views it the same way, you lot are a charming bunch.

What civil war? There is no civil war. Bitcoin is cleaning itself from government actors supported by big banks trying to kill it.

There will never be peace around bitcoin. The war against bitcoin will be the natural state. What we see is just the beginning. Get used to it.

Core has a scaling roadmap to make bitcoin scale far beyond what is capable with block increases. Who told you that they consider scaling a bad thing or that a fee market is their first priority?

With fees at 0.00$ to 0.05$, being ~1% of the block reward, there is no meaningful fee market to discuss about. There is definitely a mechanism where you can bypass the queue by a higher fee, and in this sense it is a market, but the volume of this market is so tiny that it doesn't even register compared to what subsidy does. Miners could be mining empty blocks and it wouldn't affect their pocket negatively. That's how insignificant it is.

If devs push for highers fees => "ohhh those fuckers want to exclude the poor guy"
If devs allow for more space/tx abundance at near-zero fees => "ohhh they are idiots, this attracts attacks, it can't work for the long-term sustainability of bitcoin and bitcoin mining" etc etc.
If devs don't interefere => "oh they are sitting on their ass doing nothing and their incompetence has created these problems"

Whatever they do, either way, or whatever they don't do, you can find a reason to attack them. This type of thinking can be evidenced by writings such as BillyJoe's who, a few months ago, was saying "ohhh I don't want to pay higher fees, I bought my right to transact when I bought my coins" and then, when commenting on the Lightning network, he was spreading FUD about how will the miners get paid if the LN can do so many transactions at low fees, and that miners should get more fees, otherwise bitcoin will be in problem etc etc.

Whatever the situation => you can use it to attack the devs. And this is happening all day.

Low fees? Fuck the devs.
High fees? Fuck the devs.
The devs are staying out of the argument? Fuck the devs again.

Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs, Fuck the devs

...all day long...

Why?

Because the issues here are not technical. They have the facade of technical disagreements but at their root, they are a way to undermine confidence and promote a governance coup.

Anyone bothered to look into that accidental HF it caused on the testnet?

holy shit wtf is going on?

One of the two devs at the wheel of this shitshow has renounced science!

Amstrong's blog is from yesterday. Price started retreating three days ago. Perhaps the correct causality is

price retreats --> Armstrong speaks

Agreed that high fees hurt bitcoins image

Americans blah blah blah...

there are very poor countries where even the 2-3-5 cents are actually money that one can do something in their life, like buy something to eat.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/photos/food-price-comparison-around-the-world/#!fullscreen&slide=988845

That's ~3 cents per egg btw (for India).

(Morpheus meme kicks in) What if I told you that in a large percentage of the rest of the planet, people don't buy coca colas and beers by the 6packs, eggs by the dozens, and fuel by the gallon?

comments like this is why bitcoin has lost 6% market share in 2 months

NO bitcoin is NOT ready to take over central banking, get over it, we are small potatoes, and we best realize that before litecoin ( or ETH ) steals all the TX vol.

WOW LOOK MONERO

Two whales clashing epicly... WOOOOOW, one get slauthered, I was looking at realtime... my god!

Not even that, but literally everything there is anti-core, anti-blockstream.

Gets annoying/repetitive after a while.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4fdaqe/supporters_of_2_mb_bitcoin_blocks_unable_to/

Classic #rekt

Bitcoin angel investor Roger Ver contacted Bitcoin Magazine about the Beijing meeting but declined to go into any detail about what took place.

where's segwit?  

You're the one whining. We're winning.

Cool! I managed to annoy wINDBREAKER!

Success!!!

Edit: a post from January? Man, I must really have gotten under his skin. This feels sooooo gooood!

February?

BAAAAA!!! HAAAAA!!! HAAAAAA!!!!

Stop it! It's too much!!

You're such a tiny little man!

BAAAAAA!!!! HAAAAAA!!! HAAAAA!!!

Seriously! This is too much!!!

And you're outside of your pathetic little echo chamber, so you can't even delete my posts!

You lot of whining ninnies kind of lose track of the real world in there, don't ya?

Well, at least you're kind enough to comfort Gmaxwell, and tell him what he wants to hear.

I'm not sure if that makes you human, but at least you serve a purpose. Sort of. Maybe.

an hour and 19 minutes since the last block. They are averaging 23 minutes per block and they're all full.

this will cause the price to slump, which will kick more hashpower off the networks, causing further backlogs and higher fees in a viscous feedback loop. I told you bastards this would happen.

it's the FUDocalypse!!

Classic is coming, like it or not. The alternative is to go down with a ship full of corecoins or popescucoins.

I am sorry to spoil the party but...
s we are approaching all time high, the transaction fees are spiking as well !

https://bitcoinfees.info/

We have now just broken through 50 cents per tx for the 3 blocks fee !

The network is bloated and reacts to the bloat by an increase of transaction prices to try to limit the increase in transactions.

That's NOT a good thing folks 

Speaking of chicken, what happened to your National Front logo?

https://twitter.com/saifedean/status/954931333087637505
in which fluffypony rekts saifedean
i swear it's the carnivore thing makes them so dull-witted

Why does reading this thread today make me think of Hannah Arendt at the Eichmann trial?

I mean, if Eichman would have also been boastful and a goldbug, in addition to being an anti-semitic psychopath.

Google the IQ of Koko the Gorilla and then Google the average IQ in the Congo.

Australia had all their guns confiscated 25 years ago.  They haven’t had a mass shooting since.  And they don’t look like slaves.

In the United States, which has an English common law tradition, the concept of a right to keep and bear arms was recognized prior to the creation of a written national constitution.[7] When colonists in the Thirteen Colonies rebelled against British control during the American Revolution they cited the 1689 English Bill of Rights as an example.

McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010), is a landmark[1] decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that found that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" as protected under the Second Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment against the states.

I still think the "real" bottom was around $5500

alts are now starting to recapitalise in a big way

That was what was needed to confirm the bottom and start a reversal in BTC

@iCEBREAKER
You have a technical error in your personal text

FIFY
Monero is the separation of Power and State.

Governments have started using crypto the latest being one of the most brutal authoritarian regimes Saudi arabia copy xrp to make own coin.
If that is not red flag, then what is?

https://blockmanity.com/news/saudi-arabia-and-uae-launches-a-separate-cryptocurrency-for-banks-to-facilitate-cross-border-payments/