well, as a quite newbie (10 months) in crypto, i have to admit that im losing faith right now.
I want to be a holder (yes thats how we write this right?) but what worries me is not the ups and downs itself, but the rediculous drops that happened 3 times now... This means that some people actually can control my money.... again... And i dont like it.
Who can garantee that not all bitcoin eventually evaporates?
I mine the shit out of my equipment, and all it does this year is lose value... i cant mine enough to even increase in fiat value. Thats hugely dissapointing...

Everyone has a opinion here in bitcointalk, even some experts out there. It ranges from 2k to 150k dec18. How to take anyting in between serious? I see pretty graphs, all made in a way someone thinks instead of based on facts or knowledge, calculations, etc. Whats the value of it? Zilch...
Take a look back to all those pretty graphs... I bet none came actually true...

crypto? I think ponzi more and more...


Proof me wrong, please....

now.... WHY would it be funny if others lose money?

Just because its not "your" favorite coin?

These childish ego responses start to make me sick on this board...

maybe stupid on my side, but as a not native, i dont exactly know how to read the graph/comment.
Sure, overall it goes up... But when did whales enter crypto market? How reliable are tose lines, as they get adjusted flatter and flatter...
who thought the values on the right? logharithmic scale? you can design any graph the way you want , in order you show to others what you want them to see... Makes me a critic towards graphs.

i hope it becomes reality, but :What is reality?


darn...

i bought my 2 kids both an gpu eth miner to educate them into crypto as it beomes their world, and i want to prepare them on their future.... Better just gave them the money they costed...

i so hope you are right... Wish i had a guarantee for half of it...

No, i'm merely mining bitcoin, and on a sidenote i build 2 gpu minders for diversity opposed to asics. To let them learn about crypto, i gave each a gpu miner we build together, in order to learn, follow, trade for btc, other coins, etcetera. A gpu miner is more versatile mining different coins as opposed to a asic.
That was the idea.

Besides this, i dont believe there can only survive one coin, and as eth was very promising and THE second coin, we started to mine that too.

Oh, i do appriciate the positive feedback of some, and i puke on the feedback of some self-acclaimed guru's with "steel balls".

Just like all newbies (yes, i know i am and i try to learn every day in order to lose that sign on my forehead) i just need some reassuring FACTS BASED info that we're still on the right track.
As some of those steel asses dont understand, is that its easy to look backward, but almost impossible to predict forward, especially with so little expirience. So what do you do? You ask. Oh, yeah, real tough talk to call it whining... C'mon, we're not at kindergarden here i thought? I share a weak moment, in order to get some good feedback, like the chart. I've been puzzling for 2 hours on it, analysing all the dots and so on.
As regards to a strategy: im holding since march this year. I bought my equipment in June 2017, exchanged some for SHA256 wich is 99% of what i own right now, and every week in december and january i sold my mined BTC to earn my equipment back. Everything i own is payd for. Everything i mine is profit (cheap power).
I DO have a strategy, but you base a strategy on what you know, and as i already said; im a newbee, so i need to adjust my strategy here and there, according to new insights i try to aquire here... Instead of hearing that i'm whining... Every now and then i'm just a bit frustrated that i see my efforts go down the drain. And not a little, but quite some. Ups and downs i can handle, as i'm in for the mid term, and a little for the long term. I dont have a thick elephant skin yet, wich makes me capable of ignoring those immense drops in value. Thats experience i still need to grow.


Chocolate-Balls...



I really dont understand. Me as a person, love to explain others if they need info or explanation on something i have knowledge of. From that point of view, if i dont know, or need info, i read, and when i cant find what im looking for, i ask. Its not a shameful thing to do. Not asking: thats stupid... never understood the fun of kicking someone into the mud...
i think it has something to do with being f**cked in childhood, and feeling the need to do the same now i guess... If those annoying types put me on a ignore: pleeeeease do. To all the others here: Thanks you for your contributions, explanations, graphs, links, charts, time, effort, etcetera. It IS being appreciated, thank you.

    Humor! 

Lets eat, grandma.

Lets eat grandma

interpunction saves lives...

i'll wait a few days more and buy me some ETH  

MUST be going uphill, cant miss, an profit increase must be astonashing!

All nice, but i think it is impossible to rate all coins other than bitcoin to be shitcoins.
Also, it's easy said.... shitcoins.
If you do, take an effort in telling wich are not shitcoins.I mean, a few months ago, everyone was wild over etherum (and many still are). Its too easy to call it a shitcoin due to bad weather on the market.

Personally; why shouldn't i set some auto-buys on ETH for a nice low low price.. Divericating my portofolio for a bargain..
I mean: its more likely for eth to do 1500 euros, as it would for Bitcoin to do 53000 euro's, right? Both doing X10 from today. Taken from this point it seems like a safe bet..


If not agree'd thats fine, but tell me why with facts, not opinions pls.

Yes, easy said, in part because it is off topic, have you heard of that?



reading your comment i think there's only one conclusion: that pile of shit you show, must me the only thing coming from your mouth, as you seem to be full of it.

Read your comment again; you act like a disturbed teenager. A lot of useless movement of air, saying nothing, adding nothing, cursing, and only wild hitting around your devoted opinion.

pitty you use air... its a waste....
The world would be better off without people like you...

okay, but how do you determine this?

just because of pre mining and such?
And as i recall (not sure)  doge was a coin made for fun to be used in gaming, so why wild this be an exeption? i think its only used for trading between coins? ( no harm meant, just trying to learn and understand.)

hmmm... ok. Dont know all what it means, but i'm going to look at it. This is a comment that makes sense, thank you.

I think he's trying to point out that ALTS will dominate the market soon, while BTC will lose its dominance... 

Let them be...
We need them to invest when btc spikes, and they think they can still jump the boat...

 

Deliverance, the banjo battle!!!

GREAT play! 

is there ANY graph thats predicted at least 6 months ago, that gives a correct graph to the market?

i mean: i see so many "specialists" grabbing a pencil and flutter some lines on a graph, but afterwards its always easy. Now do it forwards and let the future proof you have your insights...
Maybe in the future we actually can act on a graph...

until now: even a monkey can predict flow, charts, and prices with similar results...


So why bother?

i'll take cow, and second 94

I hear this for over 8 months now, so its a bit hard to believe...

It would be better if we save the air wasted to it, because if even 10% of what i read on this forum is true, we need it when we are in the stratosphere...

Well, i have to admit that it frustrates the crap out of me... I keep on mining and mining, and now this happens again.
I've been holding almost everything i mined past year, but i wanted to take some little profit this December and have a nice happy month with kids and family. It bothers me highly that 2 idiots fighting over their hardfork drilled this away for me, and probably a lot of others.
I know, nobody can help anything about this, and sure, this is a nice time to buy, but right now i really need my fiat, as i can't count on my btc's... No fiat left to spend anymore...  

I just want to get to the attention of you guys to inform you that here are "ignore" options on this forum, okay?
Use them wise...  

I understand....
But sometimes people are just a waste of time thats better spend elsewere.
For me, not reading some peoples comments prevents me of responding and writing thing i might regret later, and/or prevents me to raise my bloodpressure... So, it might eventually be more healthy to do so..😊.
But thats everyone on its own... Just sayin' 👍

Where are you guys mining?

Pointed some hash to slush yesterday, but the dashboard is stuck at approx. 10Th for each miner wich gives 13.5TH. Seems fraudulent to me.. ?

Any pool tips?

She doesn't grab the phone here... I know the video... 

Well actually it is quite crappy that all the braindead assholes on this forum kept giving "hallelujah" advices during the whole year. I've been mining for approximately 16 months for now i guess. (and yes, i sold many (partial)coins at ATH, so all equipment is well paid for.
The shitty of this all, is that i talked my dad in this, and he bought a few miners as well (they are at my place and i manage them)
Hodl is nice when you have the time..
But he's aged, and i want him to have a very good life to close with. So i really thought that adding some miners would give him a relatively steady and safe 2nd income in order to take that nice holiday, and buy that new TV. No lambo's or shit like that.
I have to say that i've never expected to see the ballooned shitcoin drop this big... Sure, at $8k, $9k i started to talk about a hype and it would baloon. But i never expected this drop..

I dont care personally, i'll be fine. It doesnt cost me much, but no gains (wich i counted a little on) also.. Pitty.
But for my dad its a bummer, and its sort of my fault giving him a bit of false hope/dream.

And yes, those BCH assholes wich probably started this, make me mad then...

Furtheron i really do think that people with shit for brains and no clue where their asses are, shouldn't be able to give advise or opinions on this forum, like they are pro's..

Look at those JJ and roach guys... Dickheads. Insane amount of post'but truely: what i dump in my toilet every morning has more value as the shit they shout into the world whenever they feel the urge to..  Its vocabulairy diarea... (or however you write it)...
And in the beginning of the year, being more dark green then (and light green now)it sounded all reasonable and i believed some of that shit.

Assholes...















Ahhhhh.... That feels good...

Thanks for reading...  

Fuck off... Crawl back into JJ's ass where you belong, and Kidnap that stinkin'roach with you when you crawl in, and have him eat the way in for you and never come back...

Aahhhhhhhh.... That ignore function works like a god's blessing... 

i dont agree.
Over here, the problem is that the government wants more and more money to give away and spend on stuff nobody wants...
Most people just want a life without sorrows, and not having to figure out on how to pay the next bill that falls on the floor again.
Over here we have foodshelters where people with a wage can come and get food. can you imagine? Top 5 most wealthiest country in the world needs this kind of shit?
It has nothing to do with wanting to have more then the rest. Its just basic life.
Why do people need to stay with their parents until 30th life year? Why do they need to make 0-100k in debt on education before even be able to get a job? You start life with a setback of 100k, and HOPE you will earn enough to pay for it, but in the meanwhile they cannot afford a home to live in because of this debt?

The world is sick, and there are too many ---FILTHY---rich people. And im not talking about people who build some company themselve and are succesful, chapeau for that. Im talking about those Bilderbergs and Goldman Sachs people who suck the world dry and only want one thing: Even MOOOOORE.... Kill em. Shoot em. And devide their wealth under the poor of the world. Give it to immigrants so they can stay at home and build their own future...

The world is burning, but nobody wants to grab a buckit and fill it with water...

Hope is for church... Here i.r.l. we do facts... 

Well, i hope that these prices not only shake weak hands, but cause a large drop in difficulty as well, making mining not even more profitable, but more BTC for my hash... What most of you guys are doing with Fiat, i'm doing with mining... I have a cheap location with power included, so the more it goed down and miners quit, the more miners i buy cheap and install..  
Maybe halfway 2019 bullrun can start if you ask me...  

well, with these prices falling faster as a rock, i would have to calculate it every hour.
But if you ask me, we're already past the point that's making mining even profitable...

I have my gear paid for, so thats already written off and paid by itself, and my location is not free, but its quite cheap. At this moment i need 4-5 miners running for its cost. each month. So, if price halves from now, i need 8-10. Still profitable (for me) So i have a large breath to go... All the extra mined BTC i put into my stash and hope for recovery.
The more miners quit, the faster my stash grows....  

I can imagine... I'm dissatified about my ledger also, it keeps synchronising but doesnt update.If i coudn't add funds i'd be pissed also. Supid french...   

just turn 90 degrees counterclockwise... 

Not claiming to have all the wisdom here, but theres something i really dont understand....


When at 20k, we drop to 15, all say its just a dip. Small rise comes.
When at 10k, all are nervous, hey, its just a dip. Small rise comes.
When we're at 6K all are nervous, talking about the bottom, bla bla, bulls are coming etcetera. Small rise comes.
When we're at 4k, all is in panic, we're doomed, Aahhhh, its just a dip. Bulls are coming. Small rise comes.
When we're at 3.5K, doomsday is prepped, BTC is dead, etcetera. Aahh, its just a small dip, bulls will come. Small rise comes.


Now, we're at around 4k, and all are euphoric as the bulls are back yeeeeeee, we're at 4k... NOW the bulls will come! Xcuse me?

When i look at myself personally, i would talk about a bullrun just when we are going to 8k or higher again... What i see corrently, is just volatility. But then again; i have no clue about volumes, trades, orders, short, long etetera... Its all quite confusing, and sometimes my feelings are opposite to whats written here. (not taking some asses in regard, i just ignore those...)

Anyone care to explain your ways of seeing things a bit?

Oh, and i couldnt make anything out of the hat's... I've been lurking around here for almost a year now, reading most of the post', sometimes skipping 10-20 pages....  
When does one get to wear a hat?  

 

Thanks.

i promise to leave my steak out of the menu if we go over 10k at the end of the month. Please give the message to the big bull above ^^

Dont put ideas in his mind that we have to cope with in the near future....


 

lets hope more country's will follow this good example and exit as well....

 

i dont think its the best moment to cashout 66.233 BTC into anything else.

unless naturally someone is willing to tank it to $5, and immediately buy 50 million BTC back for it...

Hey guys.... Lets not plan the funeral yet pls? First i want to be able to experience a peak ATH as well okay?  

What on earth is your problem... Check my account; i'm around here for years...
true; i didnt believe in bitcoin and missed some good opportunitys, but i've made up for that and am aquiring them thru mining, yes.

Whats your excuse?

If i recall correct, it was actually Rockefeller who said it, not the rothchild(s)

I prefer a Rolls.... Does that count as well? 

I was under the assumption that he meant his car, house, dog, wife, kids, etcetera, in order to buy as much BTC as possible... I wasn't scaled down in intelligence to even be capable of thinking that he might have meant his amount of BTC....  

So true 

i'm buying miners, and currently opening a 2nd location. I don't pay much for them, as there are plenty for sale. Also keeping enough structure to add more if the come available for a good price...

Actually..... I don't care anymore.

I'm gaining more and more stash. We'll see what it does. if it goes to zero and dies, it was a hell of a experience. Everything is paid for, no losses and no gains. If it doesn't... Wellllll, then i'm working on my early retirement right now, and save the major bulk for the homes of my children to give them a great headstart compared  to the rest of the masses, and start a easy life with less stress.
Best gift you can give your kids.

You are absolutely right. I tought them well and they respect money and the effort it takes to aquire it. Its just that when you CAN give it to them, it makes life so much more easy, and being able to focus the big picture. But yes, you preach a very wise lesson that many forget.
I started early by saving money for each when they were born to be able to pay for their studies, and they make use of it, (without having to start their career with a huge debt) and are very grateful i did. I truly love my kids, and they get to grow up to being responsible adults. Mission almost acomplished..😊 (and yes, they make me proud to be their dad..😎) Lets hope they will change my diapers in return when needed...😁😁

No, no no, you miss the point...
On cars, internet, food and water, the government can sucker you with taxes; the money goes to them.

With crypto, they are just poor and not taxable, so they have to regulate it or they wont be able to get your money anymore...

 

It is all quite funny though...

In my mind i see some old billionaires playing games together like Stadler and Waldorf, buying some coin and generating a spike.
All of a sudden everyone here is bullish again, we go past 20k in 2019, graphs, charts, and all the bells and whistles...

A childs hand is easily filled i guess...  

And Stadler and Waldorf are laughing about all our commens and hope, drink their whiskey glasses empty, pour another double, and press "Sell" in a few hours to take a laugh about this thread again...  



In short: All those charts maps drawings lines and magic glass balls are all bogus...






my agnostic non-knowledgable 2 cents...  

Guys, i have a (maybe stupid, but hey...) question.

I dont really understand why alts drop and rise in value with btc, when their chart is valued in BTC.
Example:
Suppose BTC is $5K and alt-X is 0.01BTC.
BTC drops to $4500, then ALT-X still should be .01BTC, as their fiat value is dropped as well, as .01btc is now only $45, as in the first scenatio it was $50 ?

Strangely, the value of ALT-x is also dropped, to lets say .008BTC, so now valued at $36

Logically i would think that the BTC value should be more or less equal ? Why is it varying so much? The variance should be only in the coin itself? I cant imagine that someone dumps some BTC and does the same with "his" alts...?

The opposite is true also, als alts increase in BTC value when BTC rises, they actually increase double compared in fiat...?

Thanks.

ok, i understand most, but this would be true if actually people buy and sell.

When btc gets a dump, and the same microsecond the alts get a dump as well, it cannot be people being greedy/fearful, right? it must be a coupling in some form to the mastercoin, btc?

im not saying anything about the intrinsical value of an alt itself, nor if its a good or a bad alt, but just these fluctuations intrigue me and i dont really understand...

still a gain of 29 Billion in 10 days...

Always look on the bright side of life...  

i appreciate the explanation, and it seems fair in regards to $$ value, but thats not what i meant, and thats also the part i dont understand.

When bitcoin makes a pump or a dump, the alt varies in BTCprice as well, and thats strange to me. (as your explanation (as far as i understand) states the $$ price must go up and down seems logic as the BTC value varies in $$ value. That makes sense. But why does the BTC value of the alt change so much as well?? Thats double... For instance: when BTC takes a drop of 10% in $$ value, the ALT makes adrop of 10% in $$value (logic), AND a drop of 10% in BTC value as well (unlogic),  makes a total devaluation of that coin of 20%..)

thanks all, this makes sense. Complicated matter...

Where do most of you put your orders?

Yes, that's what i meant, and figured it was stamp indeed, but its nice to double check and get a confirm...

Thanks.

omg....

We  need a big pump or dump, this is going nowhere...

Never would have thought that i'd miss the graphs, lines, charts and all other related BS about shitcoins, eth, sv, nakashimotoko, etcetera...

This bs of the last 20 pages hurts my eyes... 

lets forget the treehugging crap, conspiracy shit, and talk about crypto, okay? Even when its bs about crypto... 

 

That's better... 

well....
i already have one totally dead, warranty replaced.

I also had a lot of trouble retrieving my funds, as i had many small deposits that bricked the ledger live...
i needed to get another ledger, install the chrome apps and retrieve some funds.
For my digibyte i needed to install a sw wallet on my phone with the seed of my ledger in order to retrieve them.
My ledger live is still +_ 150.000 digibytes off that i dont have anymore on that ledger...

leder support i give a score below zero.
Very dissapointed in that device...

curious about trezor experiences.