All posts made by siggy_77 in Bitcointalk.org's Wall Observer thread
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Post 50460905 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.40h):
we talking BTC nodes here or lightning?
I was just trying to get a count of WO members who ran their own nodes, with or without Lightning.
Full node here as well...
Sigg
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Post 50543422 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.41h):
I have zero faith in cryopreservation.
I have zero faith in "uploading consciousness".
So, if you upload your consciousness... is it really 'you' at that point? Or is it just an exact copy of you, and you are actually dead ? I've actually been pondering this recently, and I can't get past the continuity of consciousness during the upload process, to believe the end result would still be me.
Deep thoughts...
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Post 50544107 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.41h):
So, if you upload your consciousness... is it really 'you' at that point? Or is it just an exact copy of you, and you are actually dead ? I've actually been pondering this recently, and I can't get past the continuity of consciousness during the upload process, to believe the end result would still be me.
Deep thoughts...
Go play SOMA (or watch a playthrough). Very interesting story which makes you feel this dilemma first hand.
I agree with you that
without continuity it isn't you.
What about anesthesia?
Added SOMA to my bucket list.
Anesthesia is like sleep, I don't consider going to sleep the same as dying. What differs it mainly from a mind upload is that your brain processing is continuous and it's not possible for several "instances" of "you" to exist simultaneously and grow apart.
I mean if I copy your brain and place it in a new host body do you expect to wake up in the other body? What if the original body (with your original brain) is revived as well? You would be 2 separate individuals with no direct brain connection.
I think the only way to preserve continuity is through the "ship of theseus" (see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus) by slowly swapping out parts. So I believe in rejuvenation and transhumanism.
Edit:
And really play or watch SOMA. It's awesome.
My thinking on this pretty much mirrors yours... I'm all for transhumanism so long as I can get past the continuity thing.. and pretty much the only solution I can get behind is the gradual replacement route.
More Deep Thoughts.. At what point are we at the transhuman stage? A lot of us already have artificial parts.. from the simple filled cavity all the way up to artificial heart valves.. Heck it is now possible to live a mostly normal life for a short time with a fully artificial heart......
and SOMA is now on the to-do list

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Post 50559374 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.41h):
At the risk of waxing political, I learned from my accountant guy, overnight, that the majority of my tax obligations for 2018, were due to Obama's Affordable Care Act.
I cannot begin to describe the bitterness and anger I am currently experiencing.
Picked a bad time to quit drinking. Goddamnit.
Yup... "Net Investment Income Tax" ... got totally blindsided by that one when I was doing my taxes after the 2017 bubble....
Feeling your pain on this one... and rather disappointed it managed to stick around through this latest tax overhaul...
Trying not to be political here, but really I'm hoping Obamacare gets nixed in its entirety.. if only because of THIS TAX....
For anyone who isn't aware.. the NIIT is an additional tax of 3.9% on investment gains for anyone who has a total income (including investments) over 200k ... so if you sell a significant amount, your long term capital gains are actually 23.9%, not 20%

Oh, and don't get me started on the "Alternative Minimum Tax" ...
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Post 50561105 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.41h):
Would you both support effective US immigration controls even if it causes a recession and wipes out many family businesses?
In the interests of National Security, yes.
the farmers rioted because they had no one to pick the harvest.
Meanwhile, in Mugabe's Africa...
Apparently I'm taking a day off from my no-politics on forums rule...
I'm totally with BobLawBlaw on this one...
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Post 50572758 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.41h):
A purported black gay man
That is unkind Jay. We have no reason to think Bob is anyone other than exactly who he says he is.
Not to mention.. I could care less if he's a sweet transvestite from Transylvania or a purple people eater from Alpha Centuri .. I just enjoy reading what he has to say ....
Sooooo sick of everyone getting pigeonholed based on how much melanin they have in their skin, or who they're attracted to..
Ok.. enough soapbox for the day...
Yeah, that was prolly an overreaction, but some twat cut me off in traffic this morning leaving me in a foul mood... the above rant was actually rather cathartic

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Post 50576312 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.41h):
The safest solution is to say nothing to your wife.
Truth !!!!!
No, I'm not bitter at all.......

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Post 50737692 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.43h):
It is frustrating waiting isn’t it my friend. We could be sitting on absolute gold mines but most of us have to wait for the price to increase fairly significantly to realise those riches.
It’s frustrating working, kissing ass at work & continuing about your daily business when in a few years we can probably all say ‘fuck you’ & walk out.
Nothing comes easily so patience it is. One day brother, one day.
Ugg.. so feeling this...
Made doubly so, since upper management around here has seemingly recently adopted the attitude of "the beatings will continue till moral improves" ..
63... that's my number.. 63K... the day it hits 63K, I put in my notice....
hookers and blow will, unfortunately, have to wait for an order of magnitude above that...

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Post 50738038 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.43h):
It is frustrating waiting isn’t it my friend. We could be sitting on absolute gold mines but most of us have to wait for the price to increase fairly significantly to realise those riches.
It’s frustrating working, kissing ass at work & continuing about your daily business when in a few years we can probably all say ‘fuck you’ & walk out.
Nothing comes easily so patience it is. One day brother, one day.
Ugg.. so feeling this...
Made doubly so, since upper management around here has seemingly recently adopted the attitude of "the beatings will continue till moral improves" ..
63... that's my number.. 63K... the day it hits 63K, I put in my notice....
hookers and blow will, unfortunately, have to wait for an order of magnitude above that...

Just make sure you don’t sell everything at 63k. Whatever you continue to HODL can act as a pension pot when you’re old & wrinkly. State & bank pensions fucking suck any way.
I don’t even know what 1 bitcoin will be worth when I’m retirement age but I’d be willing to bet it’ll be a fuck load more than if I put £200 a month into a shitty bank based pension.
No worries there my friend... I've got a spreadsheet already worked up with sell point intervals all the way from here till $1MM (and I'll still have a small stash even at that point) .. 63K is just the point where I've sold enough that I can reallocate the proceeds into a diverse portfolio and be able to live comfortably off of a 4% withdraw rate...
At this point, the plan is set... The plan was created back when there was no hype or FOMO happening, so I've pretty much taken emotions out of the picture.. Fortunately, I'm one of those personalities that I can follow the plan, and have no regrets later about "what if I'd have just...."
I can't advocate this method enough... Figure everything out now, and just sit back, relax and go on autopilot.. Also, read the WO thread to keep up to date, and for entertainment value... this got me through the 2017 bubble without losing my mind, it should work again

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Post 50753387 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.43h):
It's the rhetoric.
I am quite certain that if you started erecting spars 15 miles out in the gulf of Mexico and posting on FB about your libertarianism and self sovereignty the reaction of the USCG would be swift and unequivocal.
Global
enclosure is nearly complete. I really think that, short of an orbital Lagrange platform, the aircraft carrier is the only way.
I think an old supertanker or massive container ship would be a better option.. and a lot easier to obtain...
Granted, there would be more upfront work involved to make it usable.. but with those huge wide open holds, you could basically build in whatever infrastructure you want.. Kinda like buying an old warehouse and turning it into high-end flats...
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Post 50769014 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.43h):
istr dialing the webpage directly lol
dial up multi-line BBSing was the the thing in my day.
i remember using telnet and lynx back when you could still get pure text web pages.
yer a young whipper-snapper.. I got started on 300 baud modems and single line BBS's.... Oh yeah, and dialing up MUDS was just totally awesome...
I still have a Pavlovian response to just thinking about the sounds of the modem carrier/connect/negotiation sequence...
ahh.. the good ole' days...
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Post 50824289 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.43h):
I plan selling 50% of my Bitcoins. Was thinking to do that @$50k per coin. What do you guys think? Hold a bit longer and see where it goes?
I think 50K is pretty conservative
Depends.. when did you make the decision to sell at 50K? ... Did you come up with this plan while you were calm, rational, and not under the influence of FOMO, hopium, or any other mind altering condition?
IF so, then you should follow your plan.
If not, then you should immediately stop reading WO, and any other bitcoin news for at least a week. DO NOT look at the price for a week. Completely disengage all contact from all things crypto for at least a week. Then sit down, and calmly review your plans. Decide a reasonable go forward plan with various sell points. Never go full fiat (always plan on keeping at least a small BTC stash) Once you have a plan, stick to it.
In short: DO NOT make decisions based on FOMO.
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Post 50826946 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.43h):
Funding rates to borrow $BTC on Bitfinex hitting 100%+ annualized. This funding has rippled to Bitmex as well.
At these rates, it takes a little over one month for a 10x short to get liquidated even if BTC doesn't move. A 50x short gets liquidated in under a week.
https://twitter.com/zhusu/status/1122527945094905856So, if I had funds stuck in Bitfinex (I don't) that I couldn't get out, and was resigned to that fact... what would I do?
I'd say "fuck it" and make some very high risk margin trades, figuring that I've prolly lost my money anyways. On the slim chance that Bitfinex gets through this and stays solvent, I could potentially come out with a huge windfall on funds that I had already written off.
With the above thinking, it does not surprise me that there is a huge demand for margin on that platform at this moment.
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Post 50967381 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.45h):
So I like green dildo's as much as the next guy .. ( wow, the ways THAT could be taken out of context...)
But I'm starting to get just slightly concerned we may be moving to fast.. anyone besides me getting that feeling?
50% increase in less than 2 months....
We're not in the parabolic mode quite yet.. but it does seem to me we are heading there quite fast.. I'd really like to see at least month or two bouncing around in the low 6xxx range before our next serious step up...
to fast, to soon means we hit a blow off top that is to low to hit my retirement target.. that would... annoy me....
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Post 50981527 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.45h):
Demand, Demand Everywhere

OK... So when it hits 1:1 ratio, I just may have to get one of these, paint it to halfway hide what it is, and use it as a door stop..
just... because....
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Post 50985556 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.45h):
No sex during the month of Ramadan? Man that really balances out the ability to take up to 4 wives, totally changes the calculations around converting.
Meantime 6420, on the way to 6502!!!!!
Sex is not allowed during the day (period of fasting)
you can have sex from sunset to sunrise.
Egads! .. what about those poor souls who live way up north in the land of the midnight sun ?
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Post 51046077 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.46h):
not quite there yet.. but will be nice to start seeing this on a daily basis again...
Top 20 days for Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138109.1060
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Post 51168876 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.47h):
Even if you have a good plan and you largely follow your plan, there can still be a decent amount of trepidation during the process of the BTC price going UP like a bat out of hell...
-snip-
So build the shaving/skimming into the plan. That's all I'm saying.
This is Bitcoin. If your plan does not consider the possibility that the price overshoots by at least an order of magnitude more than you -- in your wildest dreams -- would dare to hope, then u r doing it rong.
Absolutely... while I would be highly surprised to see 6 digits anytime soon, my plan does allow for prices all the way up to 1MM. (( past 1MM.. its just a snarky notation that says "hookers and blow"

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I have absolutely zero trepidation following my plan..
Let your logical self make the plan.. then when the price goes bonkers, your emotional self can trust that your logical self knew what he was doing and you can just sit back and enjoy the ride..
worked for me just fine in 2017.
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Post 51171823 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.47h):
Even if you have a good plan and you largely follow your plan, there can still be a decent amount of trepidation during the process of the BTC price going UP like a bat out of hell...
-snip-
So build the shaving/skimming into the plan. That's all I'm saying.
This is Bitcoin. If your plan does not consider the possibility that the price overshoots by at least an order of magnitude more than you -- in your wildest dreams -- would dare to hope, then u r doing it rong.
Absolutely... while I would be highly surprised to see 6 digits anytime soon, my plan does allow for prices all the way up to 1MM. (( past 1MM.. its just a snarky notation that says "hookers and blow"

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I have absolutely zero trepidation following my plan..
Let your logical self make the plan.. then when the price goes bonkers, your emotional self can trust that your logical self knew what he was doing and you can just sit back and enjoy the ride..
worked for me just fine in 2017.
Does your plan say that you are going to run out of BTC at $1million? Or will you have some left?
Sometimes I play around with my BTC price trajectories, and I recall that when the BTC price was in the triple digits, my trajectories only went a bit above $10k, but as the BTC price continued to go up, I expanded some of my trajectories to go to further prices, and some of that is merely cut and paste and others just update to go to BIGGER numbers once I change the base numbers in the fields (the where the BTC price is at numbers).
I have no fucking idea about whether BTC prices will even come close to the upper ends of my current price trajectories, but still in 2017, BTC prices easily surpassed my earlier versions of my BTC price trajectories. I just looked back and I see that my more bullish and forward looking trajectories only went to $5k when the BTC price was in three digits, and as the BTC price went up, my inputing of new numbers into the formula such as then current price and then current BTC holdings would cause the trajectory to adjust upwards, but still in 2017 the BTC price seemed to be wildly outpacing my BTC price trajectories and I had to adjust the shown BTC prices therein to keep up with BTC's price movement, and also consider whether my trajectories were matching up with how things were actually playing out in terms of my cash flow..
One of my questions to myself during that time was whether what I was doing was in the ballpark of my BTC price trajectories, even though in earlier times the trajectories had seemed pie in the sky, theoretical and even crazy to some people, my question to myself was to match whether they were being played out in the ballpark of my plan(s).
Anyhow, when BTC prices went to nearly $20k it became justifiable that my BTC price projections should go at least to $100k, and there was one point, in recent times that I thought that it would not hurt to copy and paste my formula to see how the BTC price trajectory plays out in a further out upwards BTC price projection, just in case.. let's see how $500k looks..
Sometimes the way that I talk about what I am doing is weird, too. For example, I will say that my formula just continues to incrementally sell about 1% of my BTC stash for every 10% price rise, but at a certain point, even though the practice shows that I should continue to sell BTC and accumulate fiat, the ratio of fiat value to BTC value does not really come down very much, even while it is continuing to build fiat and to diminish my BTC holdings, and it seems that I kind of get stuck into the 90% BTC to 10% fiat ratio territory....
but if I look back in the price trajectory at my BTC holdings today and compare them to my projected BTC holdings at various price points, I will see that if BTC prices were to make $500k, I would have sold a bit more than 30% of the quantity of my today's bitcoin holdings. Even though I did not cut and paste further data, I am sure that the numbers are not much different in the event that BTC prices were to get up to $1million.
The sell off ratio continues to maintain about a 90% BTC to 10% fiat ratio, which seems to cause an ongoing generation of a lot of fiat, and during that process my BTC widdles away so slowly that it is maintaining the decently large base of about 90% - even if I look at it more closely over the whole stretch, and I will see from the earlier times, I had sold about 30% of my stash from the earlier days (kind of assuming that the price goes straight up rather than buying some BTC back upon price drops), so at some points, it looks like these kinds of projected rises in BTC prices causes me (and likely many other BTC hodlers) to become quite rich.. and maybe even too rich overall.
Anyhow, BTC prices going up causes "good problems to have" for HODLers, and I am thinking that I will have to figure out ways to spend so much excess money (again a good problem to have, if BTC prices play out in that upwards direction)...
I think this thread has a saying "never go full fiat" .. I have taken that to heart.. Even at $1million, I'm not anywhere near full fiat. I just haven't yet put any thought into how I'll modify the formulas past that point.
From reading all of the above, it looks like we have _scarily_ similar thought processes on this concept as a whole.
I've found the same phenomenon with the BTC to Fiat percentages, although, mine seems to stabilize around 80% BTC to 20% fiat... "Fiat" in this case is shorthand for "diverse portfolio of stocks, bonds, property, cash equivilants, etc..."
Amazingly, the stabalization point for me seems also to be around $500k. I'd honestly be rather interested in finding out if any other WO posters are seeing the same with their long term plans...
And yes, I agree with your quandry of figuring out ways to spend excess money. I call this my "hookers and blow" stage.. not to be taken literally of course.
I figure if/when BTC ever hits about $250k, then I'll take the time to extend the planning out past a million. I just can't in good faith put serious thought to that at the moment, cuz I'm sure once the point arrives where I really don't have to worry about finances for the rest of my life, I won't be exactly the same person I am now...
Ugg. heavy thoughts..
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Post 51172535 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.47h):
Umm.. how is "volatility" defined in the above? those numbers seem way low to me.....
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Post 51172773 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.47h):
Ok.. so from the FAQ on that page:
How volatile is Bitcoin relative to gold and other currencies?
For comparison, the volatility of gold averages around 1.2%, while other major currencies average between 0.5% and 1.0%.
so the above numbers don't seem very high.. until you compare them to gold and USD....
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Post 51173532 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.47h):
Let's assume that in the year 2023 BTC is 250K without hyperinflation in fiat (as per Draper's numbers since he nailed the 10K time spot precisely).
Whatcha gonna do?
Retire?
Buy RE in trendy places (SF, NY, London)?
Buy a ranch (not for me), maybe a house in the woods?
Travel (or alternating between golfing, skiing and parasailing)?
Anybody care to say?
My choices (in the aforementioned scenario):
1. Retire (70-75% probability).
2. A small apartment, maybe NY or San Fran or even LA (got tired of all the heat in TX). Location is more important than size. Views are much better in San Fran, but the city loses it's culture mix, apparently.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/how-san-francisco-broke-americas-heart/2019/05/21/ef9a0ac0-70ea-11e9-9eb4-0828f5389013_story.html3. A basic house in the woods-Oregon, maybe.
4. A few trips to Europe, maybe Japan. Will go to a few CL finals, hopefully!
Oh, forgot to say that I would not do anything if we keep oscillating between 5k and 20K.
So at 250k, I'll already be retired and have a decent amount of extra fiat accumulated from incremental sales between there and 250.. I'm thinking next step is a large tract of woods, (Ozarks maybe? ) where I'll put a house smack dab in the middle. I'm not a people person, so anything that involves "trendy" or "city" is prolly not my thing. Finding a like minded companion to do some traveling with does hold some appeal however... There are a lot of sights to see stateside without needing to venture overseas.
And have to agree on the "nothing before 20k" thing .. current plan has me HODLing till 20k before I start doing anything else.
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Post 51269697 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.48h):
bitcoin to 50k in 2019
anyone against that?
Screw it, I'll open myself up to some haters: I just offloaded 50% of my portfolio. Can't shake what r0ach has been saying recently, he makes a lot of sense when it comes to manipulation. The rapid increase over the last few weeks just doesn't feel right. It's too fast and money (whatever you feel that may be) just isn't supposed to be this easy.
I think just below $2500 will be the bottom personally. and it will happen arround oct / nov 2019
This looks like an elliotwave phase B bear rally, I fully expect people to call me out as usual. But I will, and have put my money where my mouth is

I really don't care what JJG has to say on the matter or any other person. im happy to be quoted in November.
I seem to recall you betting down, previously, while bitcoin prices were going up.
Difficult to lose money in a bull market, but some peeps manage to achieve such... including jonoiv. This time is different? hahahahahaaha
Good luck.....
NOT.

OMG... JayJuanGee, are you OK? I only see like 4 lines in your post above...

Umm.. in all seriousness, "elliotwave phase B bear rally" .. for those of us who aren't in the know.. is that good or bad long term? Sounds a lot like mystical mumbo-jumbo to me....
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Post 51548795 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.52h):
Anybody have a slight feeling we’re pumping too much, too fast? I think we’ll touch $10,000 but it wouldn’t surprise me if we corrected to $7,500 ish.
I've had this feeling most days since we went from 63xx to 73xx in one day ... I'd be perfectly happy if we bounced around in the 9xxx's for a month or so before pushing through 10k...
The sooner we go parabolic, the lower the ultimate blow-off top will be.. Prolly good loooong term, but not exactly optimal for my short term retirement plans....
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Post 51548930 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.52h):
The sooner we go parabolic, the lower the ultimate blow-off top will be.. Prolly good loooong term, but not exactly optimal for my short term retirement plans....
Just like sex....
As stated in chapter 4 of the Kama Sutra guide to investing.....
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Post 51597338 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):
Ok, I’m going to sell 15% at $25,000. JJG, you’ll be happy to know I’ve perfected my plan now in theory.
Way too much way too early. 1% maybe at $100k. Maybe.
Depends... what if 15% at 25k locks in just enough to quit ones job and be financially comfortable for the rest of your life? Everyone needs to look at their own situation and optimize for best life quality. Make the plan now, and don't get wrapped up in FOMO when it hits....
Just a random thoughts...
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Post 51610333 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):
This is unsustainable. The price will be under $10k before the end of the year, and stay there until Libra takes over. Bitcoin is done. Short bitcoin.
... and now I'm comfortable that we are well and truly into a bull run....
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Post 51610487 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):
I'm starting to lose motivation at work...
I know the feeling well... I have a backlog of stuff to do, and I'm sitting here staring at the price and reading forums....
(and also daydreaming about how the "I quit" meeting could go..... )
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Post 51625536 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):
You boys should be ashamed of yourselves plastering these semi pornographic pictures all over this very serious thread.
What about these girls' characters anyway? that's what you should be wondering. Perhaps No 1 is interested in 17th century French Literature?
Perhaps Miss Middle escaped across the Syrian border with just a few coins and her wily conversational skills. The third one can obviously cater a banquet for 500 in her sleep and speak six languages. And yet you leer and lust like pigs smh
While I don't have any issues with French Literature loving bottoms (rather enjoy them actually), it IS making keeping up with the thread while at work at bit on the problematic side.....

Need to see at least 2 more doubles in price before I can afford to not be bothered with this issue during business hours...
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Post 52714865 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):
No you're right. But you don't have to worry about it. It's rather a good news in fact, I hope it will be enforced heavily.
The idea is that you can be taxed ONLY if you sell the result of the fork. If there is a fork and you don't do anything with the coins then nothing is taxable.
How is it a good news? Well it decreases the incentive of a fork. Because tons of people won't get the new coins, knowing they will be taxed.
Hence less shitcoins and less forks.
So, having read the PDF, and noting that I am not a tax lawyer:
It all basically comes down to if you have control of the hard forked / airdropped coins.
If your BTC are on an exchange, and a hard fork or airdrop occurs where the exchange credits you the new coins... then you are on the hook for the income as you have control of the new coins in your exchange account.
If your BTC are on an exchange, and a hard fork or airdrop occurs where the exchange DOES NOT credit you the new coins... then you are in the clear, you don't owe anything on the new coins.
If your BTC are in a personal wallet, and a hard fork/airdrop occurs.. If you know about it and download the "new" wallet so you can have control of the new coins, again you are on the hook.. report that income.
If your BTC are in a personal wallet, and a hard fork/airdrop occurs.. If you are unaware of it, and never download the new wallet... It will prolly come down to how understanding the IRS auditor is.. either you owe it, cuz you *could* get control if you downloaded the new wallet, or you don't owe, cuz you obviously wouldn't download a wallet for something you were completely unaware of...
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Post 52716423 (copy this link) (by siggy_77) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):
It is true. This only applies to people subject to US taxation (citizens and residents) and it doesn't matter where they dump the coins.
Yes, you owe the tax whether you sell or not. It is the same for U.S. stocks when a company goes public, original employees of the company are often given stock in the public company and they owe tax on the value of the stock on the day the company goes public whether they sell or not. This normally means they have to sell some of the stock to pay the taxes due.
What if a fork isn't on an exchange on the day it's created? Does that mean it is treated as zero value? Most Bitcoin forks struggle to get on an exchange within weeks of their creation. Some never even get on an exchange.
This is from their FAQ:
"When you receive cryptocurrency from an airdrop following a hard fork, you will have ordinary income equal to
the fair market value of the new cryptocurrency when it is received, which is when the transaction is recorded on the distributed ledger, provided you have dominion and control over the cryptocurrency so that you can transfer, sell, exchange, or otherwise dispose of the cryptocurrency."
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/frequently-asked-questions-on-virtual-currency-transactionsI guess you would have to have a good justification for showing what the fair market value was even if it wasn't on an exchange such as any trading activity you could find on this board or elsewhere.
Again, I'm not a tax lawyer.. but in relation to coins on an exchange, I take "when it is received" to mean that you gain control at the time the coins are credited to your account on the exchange, and you should pay income for fair market value at that time.... At least to me that would be a good faith effort that would prolly be kosher with the IRS. The "provided you have dominion yada yada yada" part kind or precludes getting taxed at the moment of creation if the exchange drags its feet by a couple weeks.. as you specifically DO NOT have dominion over the new coins till the exchange posts them to your account.